# Game of Thrones 7.03 "The Queen's Justice" 7/30/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453 "2017-07-30T18:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/181 "2017-08-01T17:50:01Z")
> [@treis](#): > > How does a Lannister army make it all the way to Highgarden unnoticed? Who’s to say they were unnoticed? They pulled in the Tyrell’s bannermen (as evidenced by Tarly leading) and had huge numbers. What was Highgarden supposed to do? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/182 "2017-08-01T17:52:43Z")
I’m sure this theory has been proposed before, but how much do you wanna bet that Jon Snow ends up becoming the Night King? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/183 "2017-08-01T18:12:28Z")
My prediction is the Night King is going to get stabbed with a Dragonglass blade and… nothing happens. ---
**Author:** ![Pasta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@Pasta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pasta)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/184 "2017-08-01T18:51:50Z")
> [@treis](#): > > I don’t think it’s the movement that is jarring. It’s the deus ex machina: Add me to the list of people who have no problem whatsoever with the disconnected time lines. I’ve yet to see anything in the show that was temporally nonsensical. > [@](#): > > How does a Lannister army make it all the way to Highgarden unnoticed? Unnoticed by whom? The Tyrell force was prepared and waiting, but they were simply outmatched. Olenna even said that they weren’t known for their fighting prowess, nevermind the numbers against them. > [@](#): > > The Greyjoy fleet is totally destroyed, yet the Unsullied make it all the way to Casterly Rock unscathed? I don’t understand the issue. This is one of any number of possible outcomes, and a particularly likely one if Euron was going to make a stop in King’s Landing after nabbing his prisoners. All it takes is for Yara’s fleet to have left before the unsullied’s fleet. > [@](#): > > Then the same day the Unsullied land, Euron shows up with his fleet and destroys the Unsullied fleet in the bay? This again makes sense geographically. Euron would have pursued the unsullied from King’s Landing, perhaps a day or so behind. The unsullied’s landing and siege would have taken some time (a day to disembark, a day to siege). His fallback could have been to attack the fleet upon their departure, but he got there while they were still on land. His fleet would be faster (either raw speed or better navigation), though, so he could simply pace behind them and attack after the begin their siege. Also, the unsullied fleet would not know that Euron was on the rampage. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/185 "2017-08-01T19:18:20Z")
I don’t know if this has been mentioned but the smoking gun against littlefinger could be his prior knowledge of the Red Wedding or maybe his stunt in season 1 when the gold cloaks stabbed the north men in the backs. Ned wouldn’t have been executed if Littlefinger hadn’t betrayed him though its unlikely littlefinger would have elaborated that plot to Roose after the fact via ravens. I agree Cersei is running out of steam. Dany, her dragons and her 40k Dothrayki screamers are gonna wipe out the Lannister/Tarly land force coalition. Cersei is gonna be left relying on Euron. I wonder what’s on those scrolls Sam has to copy? I bet its something good. Marriage annulment for Rhaegar/Ellia? Marriage certificate for Rhaegar/Lyanna? Birth record for a Jaehaerys Targaryen III? ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/186 "2017-08-01T19:38:03Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > I wonder what’s on those scrolls Sam has to copy? I bet its something good. Marriage annulment for Rhaegar/Ellia? Marriage certificate for Rhaegar/Lyanna? Birth record for a Jaehaerys Targaryen III? I wouldn’t be surprised if the R+L marriage certificate is in that pile somewhere, because that would resolve the issue of Jon being still being a bastard even with R+L=J being true and give him a (for what it’s worth)legitimate claim to the Iron Throne. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/187 "2017-08-01T19:48:51Z")
What I’m wondering is whether the archmaester _intended_ Sam to read something in particular in one of those decaying scrolls, or will it just be a coincidence that one of them has information that will be helpful to him. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/188 "2017-08-01T20:01:21Z")
Link to Vox article addressing the pace of time on GoT: [Game of Thrones: why time suddenly seems to pass so damn fast in season 7 - Vox](https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/1/16072066/game-of-thrones-time-passes-fast-quick) Summary: it’s because we are at this stage of the series arc. We know the characters, so time-passage scenes which add to their development are less needed. So, cutting to the chases. So: plot facilitation. Put it that way, and I can’t say I mind. I prefer good story craft over tortured faithfulness. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/189 "2017-08-01T20:03:48Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What I’m wondering is whether the archmaester _intended_ Sam to read something in particular in one of those decaying scrolls, or will it just be a coincidence that one of them has information that will be helpful to him. The former, I kinda hope. But I’m a Jim Broadbent fan. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/190 "2017-08-01T20:41:36Z")
I very much enjoyed the psych-out of Tyrion announcing the plan for taking Casterly Rock precisely how it went down while it was happening and thinking what a master strategist he was, only to find out that he was out-strategized by Jamie, then finding out that Jamie took a page from Robb Stark’s playbook. It also bugged me that nobody believes Jon Snow about the Whitewalkers. There are dragons, giants, women who cannot burn, people being brought back from the dead, vagina-smoke-monsters, blood magic, warging, face-changing assassins…why draw the line at Whitewalkers? I know, some of those characters haven’t seen all of those things, but still. It reminds me of **True Blood** , where the characters always acted doubtful about one new specific type of monster, in a world where other monsters were well-established. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/191 "2017-08-01T20:49:49Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I very much enjoyed the psych-out of Tyrion announcing the plan for taking Casterly Rock precisely how it went down while it was happening and thinking what a master strategist he was, only to find out that he was out-strategized by Jamie, then finding out that Jamie took a page from Robb Stark’s playbook. My only problem with these scenes is we really don’t get a good sense of how many losses there were. In the Battle of the Bastards, it felt like we had maybe 50 people left before the Vale showed up. How many Unsullied are even left? ---
**Author:** ![Pasta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@Pasta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pasta)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/192 "2017-08-01T21:21:50Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > My only problem with these scenes is we really don’t get a good sense of how many losses there were. In the Battle of the Bastards, it felt like we had maybe 50 people left before the Vale showed up. How many Unsullied are even left? I expect that will be made clear, perhaps with a passing line of dialogue, in a subsequent episode. Given the nice storytelling approach taken (interspersing Tyrion’s expectations with shots of confirmatory reality), there was no simple opportunity to review the battle stats. We have a hint from Tyrion, though, that many would be killed. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/193 "2017-08-01T21:29:48Z")
I think the Rhaegar/Lyanna stuff is too recent to be in a pile of rotting scrolls that need to be copied to be saved. I think that particular stack of scrolls and books will yield more deep history about the Long Night. Though Sam might get more important, more recent volumes to copy after they find how well he does with this week’s stack, so he may yet be the second one to find out R+L=J (after Bran). Maybe he’ll make a new friend. I can see it now: “Sammy! Samwellington! Making copies! The Sam Old Opry! The Samster! Only one copy for the Sam-man! Sam-a-reeno!” But I’m still holding out for Howland Reed to break the story to Jon in person. He’s got to come bend the knee to his new king anyway, and just maybe he would want to see his own child after she returned from fighting ice zombies beyond the Wall? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/194 "2017-08-01T23:09:02Z")
> [@Pasta](#): > > Unnoticed by whom? The Tyrell force was prepared and waiting, but they were simply outmatched. Olenna even said that they weren’t known for their fighting prowess, nevermind the numbers against them. Border posts should have noticed an invading Lannister army and sent ravens for aid. The ships carrying the Unsullied should have been diverted and Dorne should have rallied to their aid. > [@Pasta](#): > > I don’t understand the issue. This is one of any number of possible outcomes, and a particularly likely one if Euron was going to make a stop in King’s Landing after nabbing his prisoners. All it takes is for Yara’s fleet to have left before the unsullied’s fleet. It’s a particularly unlikely one. > [@Pasta](#): > > This again makes sense geographically. Euron would have pursued the unsullied from King’s Landing, perhaps a day or so behind. The unsullied’s landing and siege would have taken some time (a day to disembark, a day to siege). His fallback could have been to attack the fleet upon their departure, but he got there while they were still on land. His fleet would be faster (either raw speed or better navigation), though, so he could simply pace behind them and attack after the begin their siege. Also, the unsullied fleet would not know that Euron was on the rampage. Why in the world would you wait for an army to disembark before attacking a fleet? And Euron’s fleet being in King’s landing doesn’t make sense either. Dragonstone is at the mouth of Blackwater Bay. If Euron’s fleet was in the bay then they sailed past Dany and her dragons twice. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/195 "2017-08-01T23:12:02Z")
Ravens for aid… to the ships? I figure Ravens work like homing pigeons - they’re not going out to ships at sea. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/196 "2017-08-01T23:15:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Dany’s fleet is not totally destroyed. The characters specifically say that a portion of their fleet is destroyed. The unsullied were sent on different ships. Dany commands the naval power of Dorne and Highgarden too. > > Euron showing up to Casterly Rock isn’t that implausible - they wouldn’t have had that much of a head start on him - given that the Lannisters had anticipated the attack on Casterly Rock. Why is it implausible that they correctly predict the attack and march out their army and empty their larders, but not plausible that their naval fleet is also sent to attack the invading fleet after it dropped off the soldiers? If they indeed anticipated the attack, as you suggest, how is it plausible that they would not attack the fleet before the army disembarked? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/197 "2017-08-01T23:18:28Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Ravens for aid… to the ships? I figure Ravens work like homing pigeons - they’re not going out to ships at sea. Even if that’s the case, then you send ravens to port cities and when the fleet docks for supplies they get the message. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/198 "2017-08-02T01:36:28Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > I don’t know if this has been mentioned but the smoking gun against littlefinger could be his prior knowledge of the Red Wedding or maybe his stunt in season 1 when the gold cloaks stabbed the north men in the backs… I wonder wow Littlefinger is going to react when he get’s his first garbled report about Olenna’s deathbed confession to Jaimie. 😉 Sure she didn’t mention his name, but he’ll have no way of knowing that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/199 "2017-08-02T04:03:16Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > …he was out-strategized by Jamie, then finding out that Jamie took a page from Robb Stark’s playbook… That’s “Jaime.” > [@DrCube](#): > > …I’m still holding out for Howland Reed to break the story to Jon in person. He’s got to come bend the knee to his new king anyway, and just maybe he would want to see his own child after she returned from fighting ice zombies beyond the Wall? Yes! Howland is long overdue to put in an appearance. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > I wonder wow Littlefinger is going to react when he get’s his first garbled report about Olenna’s deathbed confession to Jaimie… Still “Jaime.” ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_Orzabal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@Roland\_Orzabal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roland_Orzabal)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/200 "2017-08-02T04:32:08Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > “Sammy! Samwellington! Making copies! The Sam Old Opry! The Samster! Only one copy for the Sam-man! Sam-a-reeno!” You have identified the world’s only possible use case for stunt-casting Rob Schneider, and for that, I salute you. It won’t happen…but it should. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453.md?page=11)