# Game of Thrones 7.03 "The Queen's Justice" 7/30/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453 "2017-07-30T18:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/281 "2017-08-03T15:20:24Z")
```auto Eyeball Miles you Height in feet can see 5 2.65 6 2.9 10 3.74 50 8.37 100 11.83 250 18.71 500 26.46 1000 37.42 1050 38.34 5000 83.67 10000 118.32 29000 201.49 100000 374.17 500000 836.66 ``` The length of the Wall is 300 miles. How high are the towers on Dragonstone? Anybody want to do some math to figure out if it was possible to miss Euron’s fleet from Dany’s house without gross incompetence? **Shakester** makes a good point though about how Euron’s fleet could be out at sea the entire time, and only a single ship would need to sneak in and out of Blackwater Bay to meet with Cersei. They could have made the trip at night and extinguished all lights on board, it would be a lot easier to miss than an entire navy sailing by at noon. So I guess it could work. It’s just a little disappointing that it was handwaved away rather than explained in the show. They used to be a little more detail oriented about stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/282 "2017-08-03T15:50:05Z")
> [@treis](#): > > This map shows Westeros on top of Europe: > > [http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5575d4ca71ca1be1158b49b6-5797-4102/sizecomparemap.png](http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5575d4ca71ca1be1158b49b6-5797-4102/sizecomparemap.png) > > According to that you’re off by a factor of 10. To put it in perspective, the passage between Dragonstone and the coast looks to be about the same as the narrowest part of the English channel. According to everything I’ve heard, Westeros is supposed to be “about the size of South America”, so that comparison map is wrong by a factor of lots. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/283 "2017-08-03T15:59:02Z")
Still interesting to see. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/284 "2017-08-03T16:17:33Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > According to everything I’ve heard, Westeros is supposed to be “about the size of South America”, so that comparison map is wrong by a factor of lots. The only real distance in Westeros we know is that the Wall is 300 miles. It looks about right. I just measured (using Google Earth) from Ramsey to Great Yarmouth across the fat part of Great Britain, and it’s also about 300 miles, and looks about the same as the width of the wall in the linked map. I’m not so sure it’s wrong, at least not “by a factor of lots”. GRRM has always said though that his maps were supposed to be like medieval maps, and therefore fairly inaccurate. So I think we have to take any Westeros map with a grain of salt. The shapes may even be entirely different. For example, [here’s a medieval map of Italy](http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/52cad8d4eab8ea8f3d2ac3d0-787-384/screen%20shot%202014-01-05%20at%209.55.57%20pm-1.png) (from [this page](http://www.businessinsider.com/ancient-maps-2014-1), which has other medieval maps). You can’t even tell it’s a boot. So who really knows what we’re working with regarding the published Westeros maps. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/285 "2017-08-03T16:28:01Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > **Shakester** makes a good point though about how Euron’s fleet could be out at sea the entire time, and only a single ship would need to sneak in and out of Blackwater Bay to meet with Cersei. That’s not what we saw when Euron met with Cersei in the first episode of this season. We saw multiple ships sailing towards Kings Landing, although the camera focused on one in particular. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/286 "2017-08-03T16:52:20Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s not what we saw when Euron met with Cersei in the first episode of this season. We saw multiple ships sailing towards Kings Landing, although the camera focused on one in particular. There was definitely a fleet there when Euron got off his boat. His fleet was the implication. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/287 "2017-08-03T16:57:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s not what we saw when Euron met with Cersei in the first episode of this season. We saw multiple ships sailing towards Kings Landing, although the camera focused on one in particular. We’re talking about his return with his prisoners. So the timeline goes 1. Euron arrives with his fleet in Kings Landing 2. Euron heads back out to the ocean 3. Dany arrives at Dragonstone 4. Dany’s fleet leaves to separate locations 5. Euron attacks the Yara’s ships 6. Euron takes a couple ships to return to Kings Landing, avoiding Dragonstone 7. The rest of Euron’s fleet continues to Casterly Rock to ambush the Unsullied. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/288 "2017-08-03T17:07:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s not what we saw when Euron met with Cersei in the first episode of this season. We saw multiple ships sailing towards Kings Landing, although the camera focused on one in particular. Which was before Dany et al got to Dragonstone. Or it was shown earlier than that in the episode, which means it probably happened earlier. Anyway, my point remains valid; it’s not really a plot hole unless you’re the kind of person that assumes that anything that isn’t explicitly shown is a plot hole. ETA: What **enalzi** said. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/289 "2017-08-03T17:29:16Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > . . . > > GRRM has always said though that his maps were supposed to be like medieval maps, and therefore fairly inaccurate. So I think we have to take any Westeros map with a grain of salt. The shapes may even be entirely different. For example, [here’s a medieval map of Italy](http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/52cad8d4eab8ea8f3d2ac3d0-787-384/screen%20shot%202014-01-05%20at%209.55.57%20pm-1.png) (from [this page](http://www.businessinsider.com/ancient-maps-2014-1), which has other medieval maps). You can’t even tell it’s a boot. So who really knows what we’re working with regarding the published Westeros maps. Give it a quarter turn clockwise and look again. The boot is pretty clear to me. Medieval maps don’t necessarily put North at the top. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/290 "2017-08-03T18:13:47Z")
More of a stiletto heel. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/291 "2017-08-03T18:35:41Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Give it a quarter turn clockwise and look again. The boot is pretty clear to me. > > Medieval maps don’t necessarily put North at the top. Looks as much like a lobster claw as a boot to me. And the Mediterranean is all wrong. [This map is from 1581](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/1581_Bunting_clover_leaf_map.jpg), well into the Renaissance. Does that look sufficiently inaccurate to you? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/292 "2017-08-03T18:54:13Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > More of a stiletto heel. [Looks normal to me. LOL!](http://cdn3.volusion.com/mtkle.ahjnu/v/vspfiles/photos/Reseda-28-3.jpg?1365797086) But seriously, DrCube, I do take your point. . . ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/293 "2017-08-03T22:35:06Z")
> [@](#): > > The only real distance in Westeros we know is that the Wall is 300 miles. I think earlier in this season Jon said that there are 1,000 miles between Winterfell and KL. That could be hyperbole, or I could be misremembering. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/294 "2017-08-04T01:47:12Z")
As some have noted, the writers have been hitting the Skip button to go past prolonged scenes of battle and travel. Given how few episodes are left they obviously have to do that, but it does feel hurried. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/295 "2017-08-04T02:29:09Z")
> [@jkirkman](#): > > I think we need Indy Neidell doing a weekly recap 🕶 > > (for those not into his series, [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUcyEsEjhPEDf69RRVhRh4A](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUcyEsEjhPEDf69RRVhRh4A) ) > > (that sounds like a commercial–it isn’t–the series is just almost-good history presented in easy-to-digest segments) [Preston Jacobs](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCsx_OFEYH6tEOdZZVniRn-zDsp0Fh_Ht) has cornered that market IMHO. Massive spoilers though. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/296 "2017-08-04T02:29:17Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > The length of the Wall is 300 miles. How high are the towers on Dragonstone? Anybody want to do some math to figure out if it was possible to miss Euron’s fleet from Dany’s house without gross incompetence? The tallest stucture in Westeros is The Hightower, taller than The Wall, at about 800 feet. So \<800 feet is how high the towers are. [Made a map](http://i.imgur.com/0xh1fkR.jpg) assuming The Wall is 300 miles long (included it for scale) from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea to the Shadow Tower and showing a circle around Dragonstone with a 50 mile radius, there’s still plenty of Blackwater Bay. Original map [here (warning, it’s big).](http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/a-game-of-thrones-world-map-westeros-essos.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/297 "2017-08-04T03:47:32Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > The tallest stucture in Westeros is The Hightower, taller than The Wall, at about 800 feet. So \<800 feet is how high the towers are. > > [Made a map](http://i.imgur.com/0xh1fkR.jpg) assuming The Wall is 300 miles long (included it for scale) from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea to the Shadow Tower and showing a circle around Dragonstone with a 50 mile radius, there’s still plenty of Blackwater Bay. Original map [here (warning, it’s big).](http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/a-game-of-thrones-world-map-westeros-essos.jpg) Well done. Looks like my guesstimate of 100 - 200 km was, in fact, pretty accurate. 90 miles = around 145 km. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/298 "2017-08-04T04:36:34Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > The tallest stucture in Westeros is The Hightower, taller than The Wall, at about 800 feet. So \<800 feet is how high the towers are. Is the Hightower even taller than The Eyrie? How is it easy to march up to Hightower but impossible to do the same to The Eyrie? Not doubting, actually wondering. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/299 "2017-08-04T05:24:37Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Is the Hightower even taller than The Eyrie? How is it easy to march up to Hightower but impossible to do the same to The Eyrie? Not doubting, actually wondering. If you include The Giant’s Lance, the mountain that The Eyrie is built on the top of, it might be. The drop from the Moon Door is said to be 600 ft, though I don’t know if they said that explicitly in the show. Still looks like a [hell of a drop](https://youtu.be/NEXtiFtS0Jk?t=112). ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/300 "2017-08-04T06:04:04Z")
Watched the last episode again. Before they are attacking Highgarden, three people are riding behind Jaime. Tarly, Bronn. But who is on the left? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453.md?page=16)