# Game of Thrones 7.03 "The Queen's Justice" 7/30/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453 "2017-07-30T18:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/61 "2017-07-31T14:16:02Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Sansa seemed upset when Bran talked about her wedding (wearing white.) I don’t remember her wearing white at either of her weddings. Am I remembering wrong? [Yes.](http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwinsZDO2rPVAhVLw4MKHTKPAdEQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Few.com%2Farticle%2F2015%2F05%2F17%2Fgame-thrones-sansa-ramsay-interview-2%2F&psig=AFQjCNHtOzO4a_botWlxMCtxgw5jw7mhaw&ust=1501596916737339) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/62 "2017-07-31T14:50:07Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Sansa’s reaction to Bran explaining why he can’t be Lord of Winterfell because he’s the Three Eyed Raven was hilarious. It’s like she doesn’t even watch the show! Anyone else reminded of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3dZl3yfGpc) when we saw Casterly Rock and Highgarden? Euron’s magic godmode fleet is starting to get on my nerves. He reminds me of that kid at school who noone would play cowboys and indians with because he’d pull something out of his arse about having wizard armour or some shit. I’d cheer for Dany’s plan to seend the dragons to deal with him, since we saw what dragons did to the master’s fleet, but Euron’s probably attached tons of balistas to all his ships. Everyone’s getting annoyed at Dany treating Jon like dragon shit but Tyrion has a point, it was pretty naive of Jon to just rock up and expect to be believed. I don’t know why he didn’t pull a Michonne from The Walking Dead and bring a few wights with their arms and jaws chopped off down to Dragonstone. Maybe they’re just too dangerous to think of it. Does dragonglass kill wights or just White Walkers? I always thought the latter but the show’s emphasis on it and Tyrion’s line _“Apparently it can kill White Walkers **and their footsoldiers** …or stop them, destroy them, I’m unsure on the nomenclature.”_ makes me wonder what the viewer is supposed to believe. The army of the dead wight to White Walker ratio seems heavily skewed to the former, but why isn’t JS as adament about acquiring stocks of pitch, torches…er, is there an equivalent to Greek fire? ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/63 "2017-07-31T15:01:33Z")
The Westerosi equivalent to Greek fire is wildfire, but Cersei seems to have cornered the market. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/64 "2017-07-31T15:07:04Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > The Westerosi equivalent to Greek fire is wildfire, but Cersei seems to have cornered the market. That’s the one. Maybe now he has the dragonglass JS will ask Sam if Hogwarts knows how to cook some up? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/65 "2017-07-31T15:16:41Z")
We haven’t seen dragonglass kill wights, but the show has apparently decided it can. Guess we go on that assumption. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/66 "2017-07-31T15:29:12Z")
Is it just me or is Daenerys’s story arc starting to lean to her becoming power hungry and starting to become like her father? Her repeated insistence on Snow taking a knee seemed to be hammered home a little more than subtly. Jon’s reluctance to do so seemed a bit out of character as he had no problem kneeling to Tormund (assumed to be Mance, but still). ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/67 "2017-07-31T15:33:53Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Is it just me or is Daenerys’s story arc starting to lean to her becoming power hungry and starting to become like her father? Her repeated insistence on Snow taking a knee seemed to be hammered home a little more than subtly. Jon’s reluctance to do so seemed a bit out of character as he had no problem kneeling to Tormund (assumed to be Mance, but still). Didn’t he do that all as a ploy though? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/68 "2017-07-31T15:45:18Z")
Plus he wasn’t DAKINGINDANORF then, kneeling in submission as random Night’s Watch deserter guy didn’t have the weight it would now. I think a realistic proposal for Jon and Dany is for them to agree first on an alliance against Cersei, then against the White Walkers, then after - if - both wars are won Jon swears to bend the knee, become Warden of the North and reintegrate the North into the Seven Kingdoms. Until Dany’s proved her worth Jon has no reason to submit to her, Torrhen Stark only bent the knee after Aegon’s Field of Fire and showing that he would accept submission and service of beaten enemies. Wonder why Jon didn’t correct her that the last KITN wasn’t Torrhen, but Robb? ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/69 "2017-07-31T15:47:19Z")
What do I win if it turns out that the Iron Banker from Braavos is Arya in disguise? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/70 "2017-07-31T15:57:57Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > We haven’t seen dragonglass kill wights, but the show has apparently decided it can. Guess we go on that assumption. We did see them kill a White Walker, and I think the wights are less powerful. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/71 "2017-07-31T16:14:37Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I wonder if their military campaign would have been helped by still having the Kingsguard that was killed by the Harpies? > > I think Jamie will definitely tell Cersei if only to bring her the closure of knowing their son’s murderer is dead. Cersei can still hate Tyrion for killing their dad (and in her mind, their mom). > > ETA: I forgot to mention in my first post I really liked the exchange between Jon and Tyrion about Sansa, “She’s starting to let on on” indeed 🙂 Somehow, I think Cersei would be angry that she gave Joffrey’s murderer a quick, painless death. She might even take it out on Jamie, since he’s the one that convinced her not to torture Olenna. > [@AK84](#): > > Man how messed up universe is it, when your symphathies in a scene are with the person who has slow poisoned a daughter and forced her mother to watch as it slowly takes effect. I saw it more as two horrible people who deserved each other. Though I agree that Cersei was more “in the right” in that situation. As brutal as Cersei’s revenge was, even Ellaria’s daughter was a willing accomplice in the plot to murder Myrcella. Ellaria’s misguided drive for vengeance was her undoing, and I expect Cersei to share a similar fate. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/72 "2017-07-31T16:37:05Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Everyone’s getting annoyed at Dany treating Jon like dragon shit but Tyrion has a point, it was pretty naive of Jon to just rock up and expect to be believed. Someone who rides a goddamn dragon and seen resurrection magic up close should be a little more open to unique possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/73 "2017-07-31T16:37:21Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We did see them kill a White Walker, and I think the wights are less powerful. Yes, but they’re magical beings. No reason to assume they have the same weakness. Batman is weaker than Superman, but kryptonite won’t kill him. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/74 "2017-07-31T16:49:00Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > What do I win if it turns out that the Iron Banker from Braavos is Arya in disguise? A prize for proving once and for all the scriptwriters are just screwing with us.😉 That would be a lot more plausible if we hadn’t seen Arya turn around to head back north. For her to turn around again and go back to King’s Landing would be blatant misdirection. (Misdirection is OK, but it should be more subtle than that.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/75 "2017-07-31T16:51:55Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Didn’t he do that all as a ploy though? Right. And it was just him as an individual pledging to Mance. If he bends the knee as King of the North, he’s surrendering all his bannermen and subjects as well. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/76 "2017-07-31T17:18:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Right. And it was just him as an individual pledging to Mance. If he bends the knee as King of the North, he’s surrendering all his bannermen and subjects as well. Yes, but if he doesn’t pledge the knee, he’s risking existence of all by not getting the dragonglass. It’s a strange gambit to play when first meeting Dany when he’s looking for assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/77 "2017-07-31T17:20:11Z")
Bran’s arc so far this season– Everyone: Hey, it’s Brandon Stark! Bran: I see dead people. Everyone: (_Slowly backs away._) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/78 "2017-07-31T17:22:52Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Is it just me or is Daenerys’s story arc starting to lean to her becoming power hungry and starting to become like her father? From next episode preview : Daenerys says : “enough with clever plans!” Which makes me think that she might be again in the run for becoming the villain after this string of defeats Unrelated, but from the same preview : Whose head do you think Brienne is chopping off? Not Littlefinger, since it looks like it might be him ETA : the attitude of Danaerys during her second meeting with Jon makes me wonder if she’s about to say “you know nothing, Jon Snow”. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/79 "2017-07-31T17:31:05Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Wonder why Jon didn’t correct her that the last KITN wasn’t Torrhen, but Robb? Because it wasn’t really relevant to the conversation. Her point was the last KITN from years ago had sweared allegiance to her ancestors. But for all intents and purposes those old ties and alliances are now broken. More relevant than who was the last actual KITN or whose line has legitimate claim to it is the fact that Cercei is the one actually sitting on it. Not to mention that if the White Walkers win, it doesn’t matter anyway. IOW, “because my Daddy was King and I said so” is not going to get her what she wants. > [@Daenerys](#): > > “enough with clever plans!” Which makes me think that she might be again in the run for becoming the villain after this string of defeats Unlikely. IMHO it’s just more of Daenerys trying to balance “being a dragon” and “not being the Mad King’s daughter” to ultimately do some good for Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453/80 "2017-07-31T17:35:10Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Ellaria’s misguided drive for vengeance was her undoing, and I expect Cersei to share a similar fate. After this episode, I’m beginning to wonder if we aren’t heading towards a wiser Cersei still on the iron throne at the end of the show, after mostly everybody else died defeating the Night walkers. And Sansa as lord of Winterfell/Queen in the North. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-03-the-queens-justice-7-30-17/792453.md?page=5)