# Game of Thrones 7.05 "Eastwatch" 8/13/17 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 13, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585 "2017-08-13T22:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/261 "2017-08-16T00:26:31Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > No, but recently I was confused by how Jon, Ned, and some other Northern folk have Scottish-like accents (I’ve never been to Scotland, so I’m going by “movie accents” here), but also so does Davos. And plenty of other Northerners don’t have Scottish accents. Which could be evidence of a sort of Westerosi “received pronunciation”. > > But I’m not so sure the characters’ accents aren’t just their actors’ accents. As detailed as the show is, I’m not so sure they are so detailed as to assign accents to characters based on their origins. Or else flea-bottom-born Davos has some explaining to do. When I first started watching the show I thought they might have been trying to match characters’ accents with where they supposedly came from. [But apparently they are just a hodge-podge with no real consistency.](http://gawker.com/what-is-going-on-with-the-accents-in-game-of-thrones-485816507) For example, the Stark children all have different accents. That’s one detail the producers screwed up on. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/262 "2017-08-16T01:02:40Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > You’re right. But at the same time, Sam’s plot function seems to be to Realize Important Stuff. So I wouldn’t like to bet against the possibility of a future scene in which he recalls Gilly’s discovery. It’s like Sam had a Citadel checklist. Mountain of dragonglass…cure for greyscale…annullment. OK, my work here is done, let’s go. Speaking of plot devices: I wonder why GRRM invented greyscale. The only person we know who caught it, got cured. If Jorah had never contracted it would the storyline have been any different? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/263 "2017-08-16T01:12:50Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > All that ranting about the start, I forgot about the other thing that bothered me: > > What was Tyrion doing just wandering around in fancy attire? And he had all the time in the world to hide from the beach guards, or walk another way, and didn’t bother. It’s like he wanted to be caught. Tyrion would be easily recognized no matter what he was wearing. After the bounty placed on his head I imagine there are few, if any, male dwarves left in Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/264 "2017-08-16T01:44:33Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Speaking of plot devices: I wonder why GRRM invented greyscale. The only person we know who caught it, got cured. If Jorah had never contracted it would the storyline have been any different? He wouldn’t have been exiled that third time? Universe building, I guess? Shireen Baratheon also had and was cured of the disease. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/265 "2017-08-16T04:02:35Z")
Wasn’t she mysteriously cured when she came to Dragonstone? I think GRRM might have intended greyscale to be related to dragons, and the dragonstone around her might have cured her greyscale. She certainly didn’t have it flayed off as Ser Jorah did. So I was thinking we might find that a person afflicted with greyscale might gain other abilities, like the ability to ride dragons. But then, sometimes a good plot line gets droppped for sake of the overall story, or maybe he just couldn’t figure out a way to weave it into the plot as it developed so it might never really ‘pay off’ with a satisfactory reason. It might just be one of those weird things in this world. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/266 "2017-08-16T05:05:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Wasn’t she mysteriously cured when she came to Dragonstone? I think Stannis has been at Dragonstone most of the time since Robert’s Rebellion, so she presumably would have been born there. She got greyscale as an infant from an infected doll. Stannis brought in every healer he could and the cure was attributed to that, but no one was sure which treatment was successful. One would presume that if dragonglass cured it, she wouldn’t have become infected in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/267 "2017-08-16T05:37:29Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > A pundit on YouTube theorized that the worst scene ever on GoT-- Bronn dragging Jaime out of the lake-- was because they had a shot of Jaime sinking into the deep that was attached to another battle scene with a bunch of Lannisters struggling to get out of their armor that was removed from the shooting script and fell in love with it. Without that shot everything makes more sense. There’s no bottomless lake, no drowned Jaime. Link? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/268 "2017-08-16T05:39:19Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Link? I posted it. #248. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/269 "2017-08-16T06:20:20Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I posted it. #248. Missed that. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/270 "2017-08-16T07:11:29Z")
Apparently the Spanish HBO affiliate accidentally aired episode 6, so beware of spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/271 "2017-08-16T07:33:56Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Tyrion would be easily recognized no matter what he was wearing. After the bounty placed on his head I imagine there are few, if any, male dwarves left in Westeros. Yeah, I thought the whole scene of Tyrion just pulling up in a boat in broad daylight and walking to his meeting ridiculous. It reminded me of that time that Jaime went to Dorn to get his daughter, just lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/272 "2017-08-16T10:57:56Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > When I first started watching the show I thought they might have been trying to match characters’ accents with where they supposedly came from. [But apparently they are just a hodge-podge with no real consistency.](http://gawker.com/what-is-going-on-with-the-accents-in-game-of-thrones-485816507) For example, the Stark children all have different accents. That’s one detail the producers screwed up on. The producers have said some of the Stark children were difficult to cast, Arya in particular(and it shows, an adult Maisie Williams is kinda stuggling imo). Im assuming acting ability and looks were foremost in the casting of many of these actors. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/273 "2017-08-16T14:22:22Z")
This episode recap is pretty brilliant: [S7E5: Eastwatch, I thought you said Weastwatch? - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/gallery/HQhya) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/274 "2017-08-16T14:35:22Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > This episode recap is pretty brilliant: [S7E5: Eastwatch, I thought you said Weastwatch? - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/gallery/HQhya) Very nice. Although, I don’t think I see all the sexual tension between Daenerys and Jon Snow that everyone else thinks is so obvious. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/275 "2017-08-16T15:14:35Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Really, I think if you know that it’s not a big leap to guess that Jon is their son. You have Ned, **the most honorable man in Westeros** , going to get her, and instead coming back saying Rhaeger raped and murder her, oh and by the way I have a bastard son now. Both Robert and Kat never doubted that Jon was Ned’s son, and they knew him best. Ned’s father and brother both believed the kidnapping story and got killed for it, this would seem to indicate that the kidnapping story was widely believed with most of the people who knew the truth dying with Rhaegar in the battle against Robert. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/276 "2017-08-16T15:18:46Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > When I first started watching the show I thought they might have been trying to match characters’ accents with where they supposedly came from. [But apparently they are just a hodge-podge with no real consistency.](http://gawker.com/what-is-going-on-with-the-accents-in-game-of-thrones-485816507) For example, the Stark children all have different accents. That’s one detail the producers screwed up on. It’s a show for Americans and to Americans every british accent is pretty much the same. English people can pick out regional accents but an American could hear the lowest class accent in Britain and think that person has tea and strumpets with the queen. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/277 "2017-08-16T15:21:45Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > This episode recap is pretty brilliant: [S7E5: Eastwatch, I thought you said Weastwatch? - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/gallery/HQhya) Very nice. But I miss that site that did GoT as Facebook every week. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/278 "2017-08-16T15:33:22Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Both Robert and Kat never doubted that Jon was Ned’s son, and they knew him best. Ned’s father and brother both believed the kidnapping story and got killed for it, this would seem to indicate that the kidnapping story was widely believed with most of the people who knew the truth dying with Rhaegar in the battle against Robert. Right, and I’m saying that if you knew the kidnapping story wasn’t true, you might begin to doubt the other things Ned was saying. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/279 "2017-08-16T15:57:07Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > This episode recap is pretty brilliant: [S7E5: Eastwatch, I thought you said Weastwatch? - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/gallery/HQhya) #mrvalyriansteelyourgirl is the funniest shit ever. ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/280 "2017-08-16T16:03:27Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It was only a flesh wound. > > The arrow really shouldn’t have injured him very much. It didn’t go in beyond the head, no more than a foot into muscle. The unrealistic thing was Drogon being knocked out of the sky by what was really a mere toothpick compared to his size. Drogon was being a big baby. Ever try to go jogging with a teeny, tiny rock in your shoe? In the right place an external irritant can have an effect all out of proportiin to its size. > [@puddleglum](#): > > … tea and strumpets with the queen. I don’t think that means what you think it means. I would expect the Queen to be more likely to have crumpets, but what do I know about the proclivities of royalty? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585.md?page=15)