# Game of Thrones 7.05 "Eastwatch" 8/13/17 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 13, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585 "2017-08-13T22:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/161 "2017-08-14T20:12:14Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Any guesses on who is going to make it back from beyond the wall? I think we may lose all of the Suicide Squad except for Jon and one other person. Who the other one is, I’m not sure. Alas, I do not think it’ll be Tormund. Prediction: Beric dies and because of the “magic” north of the Wall, Thoros can’t bring him back. I’m guess the Hound lives so he can still reunite with Arya and/or the Mountain. I think Tormund gets the _tragic_ death scene. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/162 "2017-08-14T20:19:32Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I think Tormund gets the _tragic_ death scene. Killed by a zombie giant. Maybe the same giant he killed to get his name. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/163 "2017-08-14T20:23:27Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Maybe I missed it but did Jon take some dragonglass back with him beyond the Wall? Might come in handy. I wonder if an axe modified with dragonglass would help kill whitewalkers thus making Gendry actually useful. Some men were seen hauling small chests out of the dragonglass cave and then later loading them onto the boats. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/164 "2017-08-14T20:24:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Killed by a zombie giant. Maybe the same giant he killed to get his name. Hugely ironic. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/165 "2017-08-14T20:28:27Z")
Being a medieval blacksmith, Gendry would probably be deaf as a stone. Hammering steel on an anvil would be LOUD! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/166 "2017-08-14T20:30:02Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Prediction: Beric dies and because of the “magic” north of the Wall, Thoros can’t bring him back. I’m guess the Hound lives so he can still reunite with Arya and/or the Mountain. I think Tormund gets the _tragic_ death scene. That CANNOT happen! The only acceptable conclusion of this epic saga is Tormund sitting on the Iron Throne with Brienne as his Queen/Commander of Kingsguard. Also, I think Gendry, the Hound, and obviously Jon have more story to get through, leaving Ser Friendzone, Beric and Thoros as the likely casualties. The Hound can heroically save Gendry to get himself off Arya’s list, and Jorah can sacrifice himself to save Jon as a final service to his Queen. Beric and Thoros are half dead already and get crossed off Arya’s list as well. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/167 "2017-08-14T20:36:02Z")
Tormund: “Did you bring the big woman?” Jon: “No.” [Tormund looks crestfallen] > [@Quimby](#): > > The note is real in that Sansa really wrote it. It was under duress but she really wrote it to keep herself alive back when she was a prisoner married to Joffery. Hopefully Arya is smart enough to see that. Unfortunately, Arya tends to think in very black & white terms, due to her young age and her training at the, umm, House of Black and White. It’s definitely logical that she would take Sansa’s words at face value and confront her about it. Presumably they’ll smooth everything over, that is until Littlefinger thinks up another piece of ladder-inducing chaos… > [@Colibri](#): > > Yes, Howland Reed also knows and is presumably still alive. I don’t think it’s safe to assume that Howland’s alive, based mainly on the fact that he hasn’t appeared in the show at all except in Bran’s flashbacks. You’d think that one of Ned Stark’s closest friends would have at least been mentioned by now (perhaps a mistake by the writers?) In any case, I think it would be fantastic (and literally ironic) if _nobody_ on the show ever finds out about Jon’s true parentage. Bran’s the only one who knows, but for some reason he hasn’t bothered to tell anyone. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/168 "2017-08-14T20:36:08Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well Beric Dondarrion has a nifty sword that can light on fire. Everyone else just has regular weapons. Jon certainly does not have a regular weapon. And Thoros has the fire ability, too. Beric has a normal sword that can flame, possibly via faith. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Did we know Thoros and Jorah knew each other? Someone remind me, did we ever see Thoros and Beric before they first showed up with the Brotherhood? He was first mentioned in S1 before being introduced as a character. Jaime and Jory reminisce about the Siege of Pyke ([here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=583fSgvqPQU), about 2:20 in). Thoros was basically a court hanger-on who was sent to convert Robert but instead spent his time drinking and whoring. He also competed in tournaments, and has a rather distinct appearance. It is perfectly believable that someone like Jorah knows him. Beric was shown in a S1 scene, [played by a different actor](https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/e/e0/Beric-Dondarrion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160723031300). The Wiki makes no mention of Thoros doing the same in S1, but he would’ve been brought by Beric. > [@Biggirl](#): > > Any guesses on who is going to make it back from beyond the wall? I think we may lose all of the Suicide Squad except for Jon and one other person. Who the other one is, I’m not sure. Alas, I do not think it’ll be Tormund. Thoros and/or Beric are likely going to be dead (for good). The rest have plot armor for the time being, but the most expendable of the rest is Tormund, but I wouldn’t bet on him yet. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/169 "2017-08-14T20:41:50Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Speaking of nude scenes, have we even gotten any nudity so far this season? I feel like we really deserve some by now. Melisandre and many things ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/170 "2017-08-14T20:44:06Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > I don’t think it’s safe to assume that Howland’s alive, based mainly on the fact that he hasn’t appeared in the show at all except in Bran’s flashbacks. You’d think that one of Ned Stark’s closest friends would have at least been mentioned by now (perhaps a mistake by the writers?) > > In any case, I think it would be fantastic (and literally ironic) if _nobody_ on the show ever finds out about Jon’s true parentage. Bran’s the only one who knows, but for some reason he hasn’t bothered to tell anyone. Maybe in the final battle, last episode of the series, the Night King is completely overwhelming Jon in single combat, and suddenly Howland Reed appears out of nowhere to kill him from behind. But then he dies before telling Jon about the Tower of Joy. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/171 "2017-08-14T20:46:31Z")
> [@Jack\_Burden](#): > > Also, I think Gendry, the Hound, and obviously Jon have more story to get through, leaving Ser Friendzone, Beric and Thoros as the likely casualties. The Hound can heroically save Gendry to get himself off Arya’s list, and **Jorah can sacrifice himself to save Jon as a final service to his Queen.** … Could be. But first, they have to have a Meaningful Conversation in which Jorah tells Jon how magnificent Daenerys is, with many reaction shots of Jon gazing into the distance, deep in thought. Then Jorah has to commend Daenerys to Jon’s care. _Then_ he can die. > [@Jack\_Burden](#): > > That CANNOT happen! The only acceptable conclusion of this epic saga is Tormund sitting on the Iron Throne with Brienne as his Queen/Commander of Kingsguard. If that happened, I would take back all the snarky comments I’ve made about the writing employed in this giant, er, thing, as it perches defiantly atop the pop culture landscape, daring us to demur. Because that would be tickety-boo. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/172 "2017-08-14T20:53:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well the whole getting out of the river part is obviously bullshit, specially since they were shown to be pretty far away from the battle when they came out. But getting back to kingslanding shouldn’t have been much trouble, the front of the caravan had already made it inside so it couldn’t have been that far. The Bronn ex machina was the most annoying part but last we saw their horses were getting BBQ’d by Drogon. There were loads of mounted Dothraki on the prowl, how the hell did they avoid being rounded up with the Tarlys? Invisibility cloack? Ah, makes me sick! > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I don’t understand why they don’t just send one of the dragons north of the Wall and just start setting the White Walkers and wight on fire. It’s not like they have a Scorpion or anything. No need for a whole army and all this dragonglass mining. The Night’s King has [giant wights](http://screencrush.com/files/2017/07/gots-wight-pic.jpg?w=720) and [giants can use bows.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5G4262KfRJY/hqdefault.jpg) If you look at leftmost giant in the wight army looks like he has a bow on his back. My prediction - one of Dany’s dragons is downed and killed with giant arrow and risen as an ice dragon by the Night’s King. > [@Biggirl](#): > > Any guesses on who is going to make it back from beyond the wall? I think we may lose all of the Suicide Squad except for Jon and one other person. Who the other one is, I’m not sure. Alas, I do not think it’ll be Tormund. Jon - 100% definitely coming back. Plot armour impenetrable. Tormund - Doubtful. Other than Gilly he’s the last Wildling character we know, but not much plot armour. Be afraid. Beric - 99% going to die. His purpose will have been to get The Hound beyond The Wall. Thoros - Another 99% going to die, otherwise he’d just resurrect whoever dies. Night King will target the party healer. Jorah - Tyrion giving him that coin was the kiss of death. He’s had a lot of screentime devoted to his recovery from the greyscale which would be a waste of time if he was just going to get shanked like a chump. My prediction is a heroic sacrifice somehow involving his greyscale cured status. The Hound - **WHAT IS HYPE MAY NEVER DIE.** My favourite theory is his purpose is to actually get killed, rise as a wight and be brought back to King’s Landing. Cersei orders The Mountain to get rid of him and **UNDEAD CLEGANEBOWL CONFIRMED GET HYPE.** Gendry - Difficult to say, as it’s not like the show hasn’t brought back characters only to die (remember Osha and Rickon?), but I think he has a bigger role to play as the last Baratheon. My verdict - survives. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/173 "2017-08-14T20:53:57Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Did anyone find it odd that Jon didn’t go to Winterfell first and at least try to explain his plan to his lords? Even just seeing him return safely would give him some much needed credibility that he knew what he was doing. Not to mention obtaining some much needed intel from Bran. Winterfell is pretty far inland. Not that we have any good feel for how long travel takes this season, but it would have added a week or more to the trip? Plus, going beyond the Wall is not going to popular with the lords, so time spent arguing there. All of this against getting back as quickly as possible to work the armistice with Cersei before everything goes to shit down south. But yeah, it might have been a good detour anyway. But he also doesn’t know that things are going sideways there (and he is political enough to figure it out). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/174 "2017-08-14T20:58:53Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > In any case, I think it would be fantastic (and literally ironic) if _nobody_ on the show ever finds out about Jon’s true parentage. Bran’s the only one who knows, but for some reason he hasn’t bothered to tell anyone. Won’t Gilly’s discovery (about Jon being legitimate) give it away? At some crucial moment, Sam will remember what Gilly said, and voila, lightbulb-over-head. Or oil-lamp over head. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/175 "2017-08-14T20:59:49Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Tormund: “Did you bring the big woman?” > Jon: “No.” > [Tormund looks crestfallen] My favorite bit in the episode. 😃 > [@](#): > > I don’t think it’s safe to assume that Howland’s alive, based mainly on the fact that he hasn’t appeared in the show at all except in Bran’s flashbacks. You’d think that one of Ned Stark’s closest friends would have at least been mentioned by now (perhaps a mistake by the writers?) I think he’s been mentioned as Meera’s (and Jojen’s) father. If he’s dead then Meera is now head of House Reed. When she was taking leave of Bran, I think she would have mentioned that instead of just saying she was going to be with her family. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/176 "2017-08-14T21:07:52Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The three BWB are all expendable, but it the significance of Beric’s multiple resurrections hasn’t been explained yet. I would think he’d be saved for something more. No! The Hound is NOT expendable! Not until he faces the Mountain. I think most likely to go: Gendry, Tormond, Thoros, Dondarion Medium: Jorah Slight: Hound No chance: Jon Actually, I’ll modify that: I could see Jon being killed, and then Dondarion (possibly assisted by Thoros) transferring his life essence to raise Jon again while killing Dondarion permanently at last. Uncle Benjen could show up, too. If so, I think he’ll bite it. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/177 "2017-08-14T21:17:59Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > The Hound - **WHAT IS HYPE MAY NEVER DIE.** My favourite theory is his purpose is to actually get killed, rise as a wight and be brought back to King’s Landing. Cersei orders The Mountain to get rid of him and **UNDEAD CLEGANEBOWL CONFIRMED GET HYPE.** Yes! This has to be! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/178 "2017-08-14T21:22:36Z")
I thirded. ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/179 "2017-08-14T21:30:46Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Killed by a zombie giant. Maybe the same giant he killed to get his name. He never did, Tormund Giantsbane has a better ring to it than Tormund Giantsbabe, and that’s the honest truth ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/180 "2017-08-14T21:31:37Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > And Nina Hedley may be old news but she’s gotta count too, no? “It’s Hedley Lamarr!” > [@Quimby](#): > > The note is real in that Sansa really wrote it. It was under duress but she really wrote it to keep herself alive back when she was a prisoner married to Joffery. Just betrothed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585.md?page=10)