# Game of Thrones 7.06 "Beyond The Wall" 8/20/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223 "2017-08-20T22:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/1 "2017-08-20T22:50:27Z")
[7.01 “Dragonstone”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831107) [7.02 “Stormborn”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20365308) [7.03 “The Queen’s Justice”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20380167) [7.04 “The Spoils of War”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=832777) [7.05 “Eastwatch”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=833437) This is the discussion thread for the show on its own. The books do not exist in this thread. Open discussion for the books/show [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20347039) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/2 "2017-08-20T23:05:11Z")
Sansa: Oh no, Bran has turned into a creepy weirdo! Arya: Hold my beer. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/3 "2017-08-20T23:43:12Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Arya: Hold my beer. For a cripple? Feh. She could take him out with a beer in one hand and a direwolf bread in the other. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/4 "2017-08-21T02:13:24Z")
I’m not a huge fan of this episode. I thought the whole mission was a very stupid idea in the first place. The whole point is a convoluted plot to get Dany to go north. She can go north in like half a day, much better to spend time convincing her. Didn’t buy the Arya/Sansa drama at all. Where the fuck did that come from? Arya is quick to anger, but she isn’t stupid. Shouldn’t have been nearly so crazed and/or easily manipulated. Didn’t like the Benjen deus ex machina. I guess the Night King knew about dragons before and was trying to draw Dany past the wall? ---
**Author:** ![jools](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b3f665/32.png) [@jools](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jools)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/5 "2017-08-21T02:14:28Z")
Holy crap! For the first time ever I was standing up pacing and screaming at the tv :eek::eek: ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/6 "2017-08-21T02:17:20Z")
In a season with timing issues, the timing issues were ridiculous. Gendry jogs a marathon in the blizzard. A raven is sent, what, 1200+ miles to dragonstone? Then Dany flies all the way up there? if we were meant to think that they’d been stranded on that island for a week, they didn’t convey it well, and if they weren’t then the time seems ridiculously compressed. The whole north of the wall plotline feels like it came from a much lesser show. Dumb plan in the first place, implausible execution, implausible rescue, deus ex machina, improbable success. It would’ve made more sense of Jon had simply convinced Dany to go up north and see for herself the army of the dead. Since an armistice with Cersei is never going to work anyway, once Dany is convinced then she can take over the seven kingdoms and then fight the threat. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/7 "2017-08-21T02:20:45Z")
The timing wasn’t explained well – very rough estimate, a raven flying at about 50 mph (from google) could get to Dragonstone in perhaps 24 hours – if dragons can fly 100-200 mph, then she could get to the North in another 8-12 or so. They should have showed the Northern party having to hunker down for a night on the ice island. But beyond that, a very exciting episode, even with the obvious dumbness of the “let’s go get a wight!” plan. Sansa sent Brienne south after LF recommended she use her to kill Arya – I suspect that’s a sign that Sansa is at least somewhat aware of LF’s attempts at manipulation. I still think LF isn’t long for this world, and next episode seems a likely time for him to die. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/8 "2017-08-21T02:21:40Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > In a season with timing issues, the timing issues were ridiculous. Gendry jogs a marathon in the blizzard. A raven is sent, what, 1200+ miles to dragonstone? Then Dany flies all the way up there? if we were meant to think that they’d been stranded on that island for a week, they didn’t convey it well, and if they weren’t then the time seems ridiculously compressed. The whole north of the wall plotline feels like it came from a much lesser show. Dumb plan in the first place, implausible execution, implausible rescue, deus ex machina, improbable success. > > It would’ve made more sense of Jon had simply convinced Dany to go up north and see for herself the army of the dead. Since an armistice with Cersei is never going to work anyway, once Dany is convinced then she can take over the seven kingdoms and then fight the threat. Exactly what I was thinking. Shit just introduce Star Trek transporters into the show. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/9 "2017-08-21T02:22:36Z")
> [@jools](#): > > Holy crap! For the first time ever I was standing up pacing and screaming at the tv :eek::eek: Same! I’m not normally like that! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/10 "2017-08-21T02:23:06Z")
The thing you have to remember on this show is that Jon Snow is an idiot. From Day One. Anything he plans, do the opposite. He really needs to take Costanza lessons during the hiatus. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/11 "2017-08-21T02:23:31Z")
It’s funny; in the early seasons, something like this trip north of the wall would have consumed parts of several episodes. But here it all wrapped up in one, and we also got the expected next step in Littlefinger’s plan as well. I enjoyed it, partly because it moved so fast. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/12 "2017-08-21T02:25:11Z")
I’m more convinced than ever that Arya is going to kill Littlefinger now. Why is Sansa all of a sudden trusting him? She can’t figure out were Arya got the letter? And why didn’t Arya tell her where she got it from? North of the wall- too much in-the-nick-of-time bullcrap for my tastes. Where are the boats going? To Winterfell, I hope. You know, to prepare for the coming wall?From the looks of the coming attractions, back to Dragonstone. Why? Fuck Cersei and her nonsense. The battle in the ice was too confusing to me. I could not tell who was getting killed. Ultimately a bunch of redshirts and the only healer in the raiding party. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/13 "2017-08-21T02:27:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The timing wasn’t explained well – very rough estimate, a raven flying at about 50 mph (from google) could get to Dragonstone in perhaps 24 hours – if dragons can fly 100-200 mph, then she could get to the North in another 8-12 or so. They should have showed the Northern party having to hunker down for a night on the ice island. They did, they went from day to night back to day. Thoros died overnight. Edit: it still seemed like way too short, even for Gendry to make it to the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/14 "2017-08-21T02:27:24Z")
The “capture a wight” plan is more Dany being an idiot than Jon being an idiot. It was basically her ultimatum for Jon to do a ridiculous thing to get her support when she could have seen it herself in an afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/15 "2017-08-21T02:29:52Z")
the also wanted the wight to show it to Cersei right? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/16 "2017-08-21T02:31:18Z")
Best line: Turmond: I know she likes me by the looks she gives me. The Hound: Like she wants to tear you apart and eat your liver? Turmond: So, you _do_ know her! I’m glad he’s not dead. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/17 "2017-08-21T02:33:21Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > the also wanted the wight to show it to Cersei right? Yes, they wanted to show it to Cersei so they she would believe them that the dead are coming so that Cersei would agree to a cease fire so that Dany could help Jon. It’s fucking retarded. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/18 "2017-08-21T02:33:34Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Best line: > Turmond: I know she likes me by the looks she gives me. > The Hound: Like she wants to tear you apart and eat your liver? > Turmond: So, you _do_ know her! > > I’m glad he’s not dead. Best part of this episode is that Tormund lives. I think I’d be more upset if he died and the dragon had lived. Though now the Night King has a dragon, it should be game over…Which dragon was it btw? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/19 "2017-08-21T02:36:07Z")
Visarion ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/20 "2017-08-21T02:38:08Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Visarion They all look the same to me this season, before you used to be able to tell them apart. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223.md?page=2)