# Game of Thrones 7.06 "Beyond The Wall" 8/20/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223 "2017-08-20T22:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/241 "2017-08-22T20:33:37Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > My money is on Sansa with both Dany and Jon dead. Dany can name Jon as her heir with or without marriage. After they both die, a claim can be made for Sansa being Jon’s heir as he put her in command of the North in his place. Tyrion, Varys and the other advisors might support her in the right circumstances. It would be a fitting end to her story arc from a spoiled princess to victim to a political player. I like it! With Brienne as Lady Commander of her Queensguard. That’ll show 'em! > [@Hampshire](#): > > For a show that was known for giving gut punches to it’s viewers it really hasn’t had one for a long time now. Everything has been going too well for the good guys. > Even though it would have been devastating I think the show would have really returned to form if the entire party north of the wall had died in this episode. Wiping out a slew of main characters in one fell swoop to abruptly change the entire plot direction would have been very much in line with classic GOT. > One dead dragon just doesn’t make up for it. Agreed. Sad as I would’ve been to lose, say, Tormund and Gendry, having Jon’s frostbitten party take much heavier casualties would’ve been more of an Old School GOT shocker. > [@Munch](#): > > Assistant to the Regional White Walker? Say what you will about the undead hordes north of the Wall, they need very little in the way of office supplies. > [@jkirkman](#): > > …[Sansa] and needs the support of her banner-men, especially Lady Mormont (who is almost as scary as Arya). Disagree. Lady Lyanna is tough and determined; Arya seems almost sociopathic. > [@silenus](#): > > …You can only money-whip actors so far before they get all “artistic” and quit to do an off-off-off-Broadway play about a dog with Tourette’s. Well, we already have a Hound who says “cunt” a lot. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/242 "2017-08-22T20:40:01Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Don’t worry, Lantern - I’m sure when they pull the wight out of the bag in front of Cersei, someone will exclaim, “by the Seven Gods, it has the strength of 5 men - how will we ever defeat a whole army of them!” to exposition that away. Rational or not, everyone is going to be terrified of a literal army of the dead. Remember the end of Hardhome? Watching your just fallen comrades rise from the dead would be pee in your pants scary. Logically, yes, the army of the dead isn’t that effective of a fighting force, but realistically everyone is going to lose their shit. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/243 "2017-08-22T20:43:10Z")
> [@bbonden](#): > > The episode reminded me of _The Hobbit_ movies, and especially the last two. A strong underlying fantasy narrative with a couple of "whoa"s with narrative impact, all undermined by unnecessarily inserted tropes and facile attempts to make fanboy moments. Watching the Night King make that incredible throw was satisfying in the moment, but in retrospect it sort of ruins all the previous scenes where people have escaped from him very slowly. I’m thinking in particular of “Hardhome” where Jon Snow and his buddies were maybe 30-40 feet away from him in an unmaneuverable rowboat. Did you happen to run out of ice spears that day, Night King? I don’t have a freaky ballista arm and I probably could have hit those dudes from there. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/244 "2017-08-22T20:46:07Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Rational or not, everyone is going to be terrified of a literal army of the dead. Remember the end of Hardhome? Watching your just fallen comrades rise from the dead would be pee in your pants scary. Logically, yes, the army of the dead isn’t that effective of a fighting force, but realistically everyone is going to lose their shit. Sure they will be scared the first time they seem them, but once they realize how easy it is to kill the wights, I doubt trained soldiers would stay scared for too long. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/245 "2017-08-22T20:46:21Z")
Forget hardhome, in this ep the heroes were all stranded on a rock not moving. The Night King must have forgotten about his ability to throw. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/246 "2017-08-22T21:02:39Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Forget hardhome, in this ep the heroes were all stranded on a rock not moving. The Night King must have forgotten about his ability to throw. The goal wasn’t to kill the handful of puny men stuck on a rock. It was to requisition a dragon. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/247 "2017-08-22T21:08:05Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Sure they will be scared the first time they seem them, but once they realize how easy it is to kill the wights, I doubt trained soldiers would stay scared for too long. Agreed. I think it was a mistake to make them so easy for the gang to fight. The one Jon fought in Season 1 was much tougher and an army of them would pose a serious threat. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/248 "2017-08-22T21:11:38Z")
1. Arya is clearly fucked up by PTSD and who knows what else. I think it’s entirely within her character to reach fucked up decisions be that allow her to satisfy her murderous rage. 2. The Nights King has never been in a hurry. I always thought he allowed Jon to escape Hardhome. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/249 "2017-08-22T21:34:26Z")
Martin is “too busy” to watch the show. I guess he’s worn out from all that book writing. [George R. R. Martin’s agent claims he does not watch Game of Thrones – Metro US](http://www.metro.us/entertainment/tv/george-r-r-martin-not-watch-game-of-thrones) ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/250 "2017-08-22T21:49:15Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Personally I think there’s zero chance of any next-level shit going on under the surface, …(snip)… they just haven’t shown they are into _that_ level of plot sophistication. This. And apparently verified by the link in post# 229. Every time the fans are coming up with ornate theories to explain the stupid on screen, it turns out to just be stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/251 "2017-08-22T21:55:50Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Has it been established that GoT ravens can only fly as fast real world ravens? If not then I have no problem with, and see no rules being broken with, ravens in GoT being able to fly faster than their real world counterparts. Yeah, and it hasn’t been established that Jon can’t shoot lasers out of his cock, so if that happens no reason to be confused. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/252 "2017-08-22T22:17:40Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > The goal wasn’t to kill the handful of puny men stuck on a rock. It was to requisition a dragon. Unless the Night King is future seeing, that doesn’t hold up. The zombie horde didn’t know the group would hole up on the island, they didn’t even know they were there before the heroes ambushed the small raiding party. Also, the group was on the verge of freezing to death, that could have ruined any such dragon hunting plans. Plus, once the zombies realized the ice was frozen they advanced trying in earnest to kill them. And lastly, he grabbed for his spear quite late in the altercation. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/253 "2017-08-22T22:35:13Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Unless the Night King is future seeing, that doesn’t hold up. I’m almost certain that he is. It’s already been shown that he knows when Bran is watching him, past or present. He’s basically the Ice Bran. How else do you explain the conveniently small wight squad with their one sacrificial Walker, right where Jon and the Hound expected them? And the conveniently still-animated wight after the WW was dispatched? Or the convenient chains? Or the fact that Jon & Co sat around being watched until right before the exact moment Dany shows up with a dragon? That dragon capture was planned long in advance, and it seems like they even manipulated what the Hound saw in the fire a thousand miles away. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/254 "2017-08-22T22:42:21Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > I’m almost certain that he is. It’s already been shown that he knows when Bran is watching him, past or present. He’s basically the Ice Bran. > > How else do you explain the conveniently small wight squad with their one sacrificial Walker, right where Jon and the Hound expected them? And the conveniently still-animated wight after the WW was dispatched? Or the convenient chains? Or the fact that Jon & Co sat around being watched until right before the exact moment Dany shows up with a dragon? > > That dragon capture was planned long in advance, and it seems like they even manipulated what the Hound saw in the fire a thousand miles away. Given the history of the show, I think it’s more likely to be poor writing. Like seriously, the whole one wight surviving thing was so lame, they had to have Jorah exposition it right after. Jon & Co sat around being watched until the Hound threw a rock that bounced off the ice - that’s the impression I got. I find that much more plausible than the Night King was waiting for just the right moment when his whole horde would attack, get repelled mostly, just in time for a dragon to show up. It doesn’t seem like 4 dimensional chess at the moment, more like checkers. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/255 "2017-08-22T23:01:44Z")
> [@Peanut\_Gallery](#): > > Someone also made a prediction that Dany would be traditionally subservient to her male oppressor Jon. Oops 😃 In episode _six_? Who predicted that? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/256 "2017-08-22T23:22:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > In episode _six_? Who predicted that? Oh boy not this nonsense again ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/257 "2017-08-22T23:26:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The only good thing about the whole Faceless plot line is that it gives the writers the option of inserting Nicholas Cage into the cast at some point, if they desire. :eek: Don’t give them ideas! They’ve shown us with Ed Sheeran what they’re capable of… > [@epolo](#): > > The bittersweet ending is that Dany wins the popular vote but Cercei carries four of seven kingdoms and wins in the College of Maesters. Heh. > [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Martin is “too busy” to watch the show. I suppose everyone is different, but it does seem unlikely that he wouldn’t be curious to see his own characters and what they’re up to. “Too busy”…hmn. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/258 "2017-08-22T23:27:10Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Oh boy not this nonsense again My thought exactly. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/259 "2017-08-23T02:19:36Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > …Disagree. Lady Lyanna is tough and determined; Arya seems almost sociopathic… I don’t think the word almost is necessary here. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/260 "2017-08-23T03:34:37Z")
I think you guys are reading the wrong message from our heroes being able to fight off so many undead. It’s not that they’re trying to show us that the undead are weak, they’re just showing us that named characters are ridiculous badasses. This is like when Jorah/Grey Worm/Fabio took on an entire city’s army alone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223.md?page=14)