# Game of Thrones 7.06 "Beyond The Wall" 8/20/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223 "2017-08-20T22:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/21 "2017-08-21T02:40:54Z")
Well now we know for sure that dragons can be reanimated as wights; now the question is what exactly they spew instead of fire, coldness? 😕 I agree the timeline issues were pretty bad. :dubious: I was also bothered by how Jon was able to avoid fatal hypothermia riding back to the Wall in layers of clothes freezing solid, but I guess that can be explained by him being immune to cold in the same way Daenerys is to fire & heat. And I wish Tyrion had just pointed out to her that while beheading Lord Tarly & Dickon wouldn’t really have raised an eyebrow given the circumstances burning them to death is horrible PR. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/22 "2017-08-21T02:41:56Z")
they might make it that the white walkers can’t control the dragon so it might not help them. previews for next week suggest cersei will meet Dany. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/23 "2017-08-21T02:49:14Z")
Hmm, _that_ would sure be interesting, if for no other reason to see the expression on the Night King’s face. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/24 "2017-08-21T02:51:02Z")
So next week is the seventh and final episode of this short season. And then we get the six episodes of the last season. Somehow within those seven episodes we have to settle the war with the Night King _and_ the question of who, if anyone, gets to sit on the Iron Throne. I was amazed at how fast this episode moved, but now that’s making total sense. There’s no time to waste. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/25 "2017-08-21T02:51:30Z")
More Tormund. Gendry: How do you keep from freezing? Tormund: Keep moving. Fighting and fucking. Gendry: There isn’t a woman for hundreds of miles. Tormund leering: We make due. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/26 "2017-08-21T02:53:54Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Hmm, _that_ would sure be interesting, if for no other reason to see the expression on the Night King’s face. No expression, but an outstretched hand for his Spear of Awesomeness. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/27 "2017-08-21T02:55:51Z")
As soon as that walker pulled out that ice spear, I knew we would see a dragon wight. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/28 "2017-08-21T02:56:02Z")
My favorite moment was Sander knocking the jaw off a dead guy with a rock. And then called him a cunt. He seems to be of the opinion that everyone and everything is a cunt. As for timing issues, just accept that they’ve decided to get on with it and finish up the story. Nothing impossible is going on, they just aren’t bothering with giving you the impression that much time has passed as they did in past seasons, where three episodes would be spent showing Jamie and Bronn walking, and six episodes of Jon Snow sailing(3 to Dragonstone, 3 from Dragonstone). The part that concerns me now, which I’ve mentioned before, is that after six seasons of being willing to kill anyone at any time, they are pretty much down to their essential characters now and any remaining deaths will have to be very important to the plot. And unlikely saves will result to keep characters alive until then. So Game of Thrones is reverting to a more conventional storytelling approach, whereas in the past it was subverting our expectations of what a fantasy story should be like. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/29 "2017-08-21T02:59:11Z")
You can tell that the showrunners have been working from a summary given to them by George R. R. Martin. These episodes feel like they were pulled from a Cliff Notes version of an actual, good, ten-episode-long season. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/30 "2017-08-21T03:03:14Z")
I Jorah’s dagger Valerian steel or dragon stone? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/31 "2017-08-21T03:04:48Z")
I wonder if the way that Dany ends up “breaking the wheel” is by her (or whoever ends up on the Iron Throne) signing the Westerosi equivalent of the Magna Carta or by establishing a Parliament, so that there’s no longer an absolute ruler. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/32 "2017-08-21T03:06:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > As for timing issues, just accept that they’ve decided to get on with it and finish up the story. Nothing impossible is going on, they just aren’t bothering with giving you the impression that much time has passed as they did in past seasons, where three episodes would be spent showing Jamie and Bronn walking, and six episodes of Jon Snow sailing(3 to Dragonstone, 3 from Dragonstone). You can use this explanaton for Euron’s fleet movements, for example, because it’s not dependent on other things to time exactly. But with the ice island rescue, you need to assume that all of these blizzard marathons and 1500 mile journies happened in the span of a day or that they were stranded out there freezing to death for several days. Neither is plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/33 "2017-08-21T03:06:31Z")
Can a dragon burn down(or through) the Wall? Can an undead dragon breathe fire still? If so, I see the final scene of the season the wall being broken down or burned through and the walkers marching through the hole. Spell broken, here come the zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/34 "2017-08-21T03:13:28Z")
There is so much shock over the dragon. Who did not see this coming? The minute she showed up everyone should watching should have known. Also, it really looks like they going for that auntie/nephew love thang. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/35 "2017-08-21T03:15:44Z")
> [@edwards\_beard](#): > > Exactly what I was thinking. Shit just introduce Star Trek transporters into the show. Well, they weren’t wearing red shirts, but after all of the speculation about which of the team would die, it seemed to always be one of the hired Sherpas. ETA: This is why I shouldn’t post before reading all of the thread: > [@Biggirl](#): > > … Ultimately a bunch of redshirts and the only healer in the raiding party. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/36 "2017-08-21T03:23:11Z")
> [@](#): > > The battle in the ice was too confusing to me. I could not tell who was getting killed. Ultimately a bunch of redshirts and the only healer in the raiding party. I think more redshirts died than they started with too. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/37 "2017-08-21T03:28:48Z")
Fucking awesome battles. Stupid plot again. Unfortunately that seems where we have ended up. The show has become predictable and cliche. Ive started rewatching from Season 1 and it’s markedly different. No cool battles, but much better plot and charscter development. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/38 "2017-08-21T03:29:18Z")
Good thing the wights just happen to have some giant chains lying around just in case you need to pull something huge out of a lake. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/39 "2017-08-21T03:30:13Z")
I’m not sure, but were those chains made of _ice_? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/40 "2017-08-21T03:31:16Z")
Nope, looked like giant metal chains, like the anchor chains on a large modern ship. Implausible for the wildlings to have forged something like that since they can barely scrape up shitty axes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223.md?page=3)