# Game of Thrones 7.06 "Beyond The Wall" 8/20/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223 "2017-08-20T22:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/81 "2017-08-21T12:39:25Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Planes which flew at 200 mph had open cockpits. 300 is not particularly faster. And if we say Drogon flew at 200, still possible: > The issue is not likelihood. It’s plausibility. The show displays a raven being sent and a dragon returning with a turban around time of a day. Yes as displayed it’s plausible. 😕 That should read “turn about time”’ not “turban around time”. Weird typo. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/82 "2017-08-21T12:46:15Z")
So, just to be clear. The beyond-the-wall party included: 1. Jon Snow 2. Tormund Giantsbane 3. Ser Jorah Mormont 4. Gendry Waters 5. Thoros of Myr 6. Ser Beric Dondarrion 7. Sandor Clegane (the Hound) At the beginning of the episode, I counted nine people in the party, so that means two no-name Brotherhood members? And I think I saw two party members succumb to the wights—it was frustrating that I couldn’t tell who they were during the battle—and then Thoros died. So, three lost and six survivors. Does that add up? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/83 "2017-08-21T12:55:54Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > I guess it’s going to be Charlie from now on, since that’s what he’s called in the recap: [http://imgur.com/gallery/CwtzC](http://imgur.com/gallery/CwtzC) Where do these come from? Are there ones from previous episodes? > [@Acsenray](#): > > And I think I saw two party members succumb to the wights—it was frustrating that I couldn’t tell who they were during the battle—and then Thoros died. So, three lost and six survivors. Does that add up? 5 red shirts according to the link in the quote above, although I don’t know if they actually counted them. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/84 "2017-08-21T13:05:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Where do these come from? Are there ones from previous episodes? I’m actually not sure of the origin, I just found the link at another messageboard, but I’d guess maybe Reddit? First one I saw was for last week’s episode, so I don’t think there were any before that. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/85 "2017-08-21T13:17:41Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Here’s what I want to know – after the wight-bear attack, why didn’t Jon’s Suicide Squad turn around and go home? They had two fresh redshirt corpses (and eventually Thoros) who would’ve reanimated as zombies by the next morning, so, mission accomplished. Thoros-wight would’ve been an even bigger boon since he’s someone that Jamie & Cersei would probably recognize. That’s my exact question as well. We’ve seen random corpses reanimate north of the wall, without a White Walker nearby, haven’t we? (Maybe not - maybe I’m thinking of something else.) ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/86 "2017-08-21T13:23:23Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > That’s my exact question as well. We’ve seen random corpses reanimate north of the wall, without a White Walker nearby, haven’t we? (Maybe not - maybe I’m thinking of something else.) One reanimated inside Castle Black early on in the show. ---
**Author:** ![CrimeThink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90db22/32.png) [@CrimeThink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrimeThink)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/87 "2017-08-21T13:56:38Z")
The biggest dragon was sitting still close by and about to carry everyone away to safety… and the Night King shoots down the moving target much further away? Among the many implausibilities that one took me out of it the most. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/88 "2017-08-21T13:57:19Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > The problem isn’t that Jon’s an idiot but that the writers are clearly trying to paint him as this larger than life character, destined for greater things, and failing miserably. The whole time he had his ‘Big Hero Moment’ seemingly challenging the Night King to ‘come at me bro’ I just thought “get on the dragon you fucking moron.” > > Seriously, the way Jon’s written is so aggravating. In the after the episode thingee, the writers said that they had come up with how they wanted the episodes to end and then tried to figure out how to get there. Clearly, that’s not how one gets a coherent plot. They wanted the badass scene of a dragon being killed by the NK and then reanimated. Looked cool, but didn’t make a lick of sense. > [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > I don’t get what he’s trying to accomplish. Yes yes, chaos is a ladder, blah blah blah, but he’s put all his eggs in the Stark basket at this point. Cersei would put his head on the chopping block and I don’t think Dany has much use for him. Varys would probably advise her to get rid of Littlefinger. He’s also the one that literally and figuratively put a knife to Ed’s throat in Season 1. I understand that he’s a master manipulator, but he is directly responsible for Sansa’s father’s death and her ordeal with Ramsey. There’s no way he should last with them past his usefulness and he’s been of no use to them since the battle of the bastards. His head should be on a pike. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/89 "2017-08-21T13:58:55Z")
I’m surprised that few seem to be making a big deal about the Night King now having a dragon at his disposal. Could it factor in the NK getting past the wall? It’s a bit disappointing that the NK could take down a dragon so easily. Maybe he should use his spear against Jon. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/90 "2017-08-21T13:59:55Z")
Littlefinger wants Sansa, she represents the young version of Catelyn that he was never able to have. Everything else, even who sits on the throne, is just a means to that end. He’s always just wanted Catelyn and revenge on the powerful people who shit on him, that’s it. Right now he wants Sansa isolated so she has to rely more and more on him. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/91 "2017-08-21T14:00:39Z")
> [@CrimeThink](#): > > The biggest dragon was sitting still close by and about to carry everyone away to safety… and the Night King shoots down the moving target much further away? Among the many implausibilities that one took me out of it the most. It’s not like this is situation where you have to choose either. After the first hit, it should take 3 seconds for the NK to be handed a new spear and chuck it at Drogon. Instead, the WWs dicked around jusssstt enough to give Drogon time to slowly take off. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/92 "2017-08-21T14:09:47Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The best parts of this so we’re the conversations as the group was heading north. Little character moments were great. Yep. And the show used to have a lot of that sort of thing. But a plenty of folks seem to think that we don’t really need any ‘character building’ scenes anymore because we already know these characters. I think the conversations and camaraderie among the Bad Plan Seven showed that those views are incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/93 "2017-08-21T14:16:06Z")
> [@treis](#): > > One reanimated inside Castle Black early on in the show. Didn’t those guys already have blue eyes? I don’t think they reanimated so much as played dead to get into castle black. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/94 "2017-08-21T14:16:47Z")
Weak, weak, weak. And last week we saw 7 leave, but suddenly there are 11 or 12? How convenient that when Jon killed the #1 Wight and the rest of them disintegrated, _one just happened to survive!_ Hoping for better next week. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/95 "2017-08-21T14:19:48Z")
Oh, and I’m actually slightly interested in the season finale, because it seems like it’ll be a good ole political scheming episode that this show used to have (well along with what is the Night King going to do with his ice dragon). ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/96 "2017-08-21T14:22:53Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Littlefinger wants Sansa, she represents the young version of Catelyn that he was never able to have. Everything else, even who sits on the throne, is just a means to that end. He’s always just wanted Catelyn and revenge on the powerful people who shit on him, that’s it. Right now he wants Sansa isolated so she has to rely more and more on him. Littlefinger wants power. Yes, he has some feelings for Sansa, but power is ultimately his goal. Besides, if he wanted Sansa, he could have married her while they were in the Vale. Even if that weren’t possible, sending a woman off to marry someone that tortures and rapes her is not the way to win her heart. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/97 "2017-08-21T14:24:27Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Littlefinger wants power. Yes, he has some feelings for Sansa, but power is ultimately his goal. Besides, if he wanted Sansa, he could have married her while they were in the Vale. Even if that weren’t possible, sending a woman off to marry someone that tortures and rapes her is not the way to win her heart. Littlefinger wants power because being a nobody is what kept him from getting Catelyn. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/98 "2017-08-21T14:26:12Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Didn’t those guys already have blue eyes? I don’t think they reanimated so much as played dead to get into castle black. Nope: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI) That one was a hell of a lot more resilient than the ones in the last episode. Used to be only fire really killed the wights. Now I guess swords are enough. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/99 "2017-08-21T14:30:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Weak, weak, weak. And last week we saw 7 leave, but suddenly there are 11 or 12? How convenient that when Jon killed the #1 Wight and the rest of them disintegrated, _one just happened to survive!_ > > Hoping for better next week. They did have some continuity problems on the size of the sorty. I’m OK with more than seven from last week - there was IIRC some indication that one or more folks followed the Big 7 out of the gate. But on one of the early shots of trudging, I think I counted 9 people, and later on maybe as many as 14 or so. I didn’t save my recording, but the number of deaths of mooks didn’t seem to add up either (and I’m certain some obsessive will give a count at some point) I guess some could have been scouting ahead (like the first poor sap eaten by the bear), but that seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223/100 "2017-08-21T14:40:08Z")
> [@Game of Thrones 7.05 "Eastwatch" 8/13/17 \[Show Discussion\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-05-eastwatch-8-13-17-show-discussion/793585/349): > > I’m now imagining the final shot of this season is a dead dragon reawakening just before the cut to black. Well, I was off by an episode. Regarding the distances travel, I never got the impression that they were that far from the Wall. Maybe no more than a half days walk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-06-beyond-the-wall-8-20-17/794223.md?page=6)