# Game of Thrones 7.07 "The Dragon and the Wolf" 8/27/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 27, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885 "2017-08-27T22:59:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/281 "2017-08-30T00:02:29Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Bran said “Chaos is a ladder” to him, which is a direct quote from like season 2 or 3. But it’s a short quote. Bran didn’t claim Three Eyed Raven in this conversation, or make any claims of greenseer at all. So here’s what Littlefinger must have been considering. He probably reasoned that Bran had heard the quote from Varys at some point. “I told you not to trust me” is harder to explain away, but of course by that point, LF was dead meat. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/282 "2017-08-30T00:51:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Hey, Kenard shot Omar. Arya should have brought Hot Pie to Winterfell to work as a cook. Then Littlefinger could have choked to death on a piece of direwolf bread. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/283 "2017-08-30T01:27:35Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > How likely is it that Cersei is truly pregnant? She would seem to be the ideal candidate for pseudocyesis, she isn’t especially stable to begin with and losing two children and another to suicide would rock anyone. She’s only in her early 40s so it’s still plausible for her to have gotten pregnant naturally, but I don’t think she’s faking it I’m not entirely convinced she’s actually pregnant ether. Cersei truly believes she’s pregnant, and even if she’s right there’s still the possibility that something’s terribly wrong with the fetus (not that anyone would be able to tell until delivery). ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/284 "2017-08-30T01:58:03Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Arya should have brought Hot Pie to Winterfell to work as a cook. Then Littlefinger could have choked to death on a piece of direwolf bread. Where are the wolves, BTW? They seemed so important in the beginning, but they’ve been killed off or abandoned. Jon’s is still alive, IIRC. They have to tie that in next season but there doesn’t seem any logical place to do so. Not that logic had anything to do with this season. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/285 "2017-08-30T02:00:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > From what Vox has reported about the coming books vs. the TV series, Martin has actually provided little guidance. Just a few plot twists and character’s endgames. The rest they’ve been left to make up, in many cases, stories for major characters that Martin hadn’t figured out yet. > > So that probably explains why the showrunners are just trying to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible. They are having to make up too much stuff on the fly at this point. These threads are made under the guise that the books do not exist. There are other threads for those who wish to discuss both the show and books together, but this thread is not that one, so please follow the rules of them. Just a note, though. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/286 "2017-08-30T02:02:38Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Where are the wolves, BTW? They seemed so important in the beginning, but they’ve been killed off or abandoned. Jon’s is still alive, IIRC. They have to tie that in next season but there doesn’t seem any logical place to do so. > > Not that logic had anything to do with this season. We saw Arya’s earlier in the season. Those are the only two left. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/287 "2017-08-30T02:10:27Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Where are the wolves, BTW? They seemed so important in the beginning, but they’ve been killed off or abandoned. Jon’s is still alive, IIRC. Ghost’s chillin’ in his kennel up in Castle Black, or Winterfell maybe. (What happened to Summer? I don’t remember how he died.) The showrunners have said that they hate doing the direwolf scenes, because they’re expensive as hell and never look right. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/288 "2017-08-30T02:16:53Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > The showrunners have said that they hate doing the direwolf scenes, because they’re expensive as hell and **never look right**. (emphasis added) Yup. I completely believe I’m seeing a dragon and the characters are interacting with an actual creature, but the scene with Nymeria and Arya this season looked like bad CGI. Maybe hair is exceptionally tough. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/289 "2017-08-30T02:29:44Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > …Yup. I completely believe I’m seeing a dragon and the characters are interacting with an actual creature, but the scene with Nymeria and Arya this season looked like bad CGI. Maybe hair is exceptionally tough. Check out this live action footage on an albatross couple from Planet Earth 2. It’s a weird effect, it looks like a cartoon. [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5bam3f](http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5bam3f) ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/290 "2017-08-30T02:57:03Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Incidentally about a year ago a poster on Reddit posted these spoilers. Universally panned. Until the season began, [when it was shown to be more and more accurate.](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/57g8yf/compilation_of_spoilers_by_awayforthelads/) Funny and sad at the same time to read the comments saying that the plot couldn’t possibly develop the way the spoilers indicated, because it was too stupid to make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/291 "2017-08-30T03:22:00Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Funny and sad at the same time to read the comments saying that the plot couldn’t possibly develop the way the spoilers indicated, because it was too stupid to make any sense. There’s a little face palming in those spoilers…but overall I find them quite believable. I also find the notion that people think Jon and Dany is forced to be silly. I predicted it ages ago. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/292 "2017-08-30T03:23:47Z")
You know. . . Jon, Dany and Tyrion all killed their mothers in childbirth. This does not bode well for all the possibly pregnant ladies. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/293 "2017-08-30T03:24:19Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > (What happened to Summer? I don’t remember how he died.) Summer was killed in the White Walker attack on the Three-eyed Raven’s cave allowing Bran and Meera time to escape. Sansa’s Lady was executed by Ned in place of Nymeria after she bit Joffrey and fled. Robb’s Grey Wind was killed at the Red Wedding. Rickon’s Shaggydog was killed when the Umbers turned Rickon over to the Boltons. For such portentous omens in the very first episode, the direwolves have played a remarkably insignificant part in the plot. They have occasionally rescued their masters or helped them in battle but really haven’t done very much. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/294 "2017-08-30T03:47:02Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > You know. . . Jon, Dany and Tyrion all killed their mothers in childbirth. This does not bode well for all the possibly pregnant ladies. Somebody’s been reading the leaked “season 8” scripts ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/295 "2017-08-30T05:05:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Summer was killed in the White Walker attack on the Three-eyed Raven’s cave allowing Bran and Meera time to escape. > > Sansa’s Lady was executed by Ned in place of Nymeria after she bit Joffrey and fled. > > Robb’s Grey Wind was killed at the Red Wedding. > > Rickon’s Shaggydog was killed when the Umbers turned Rickon over to the Boltons. > > For such portentous omens in the very first episode, the direwolves have played a remarkably insignificant part in the plot. They have occasionally rescued their masters or helped them in battle but really haven’t done very much. They’ve had subtle but significant parts in some events: Lady/Nymeria marked a break between Sansa and Arya after Nymeria attacked Joeffry Grey Wind defeats GreatJon’s challenge to Robb in a way that allows both sides to save face Ghost (probably) saves the life of the Lord Commander ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/296 "2017-08-30T05:16:45Z")
> [@treis](#): > > They’ve had subtle but significant parts in some events: > > Lady/Nymeria marked a break between Sansa and Arya after Nymeria attacked Joeffry > > Grey Wind defeats GreatJon’s challenge to Robb in a way that allows both sides to save face > > Ghost (probably) saves the life of the Lord Commander True, but none of these is really essential to the plot. They are relatively minor events that could have been eliminated with no real loss to the story. The direwolves have been window dressing more than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/297 "2017-08-30T05:48:39Z")
The Starks have spent several seasons as window dressing. Basically from the Red Wedding onto the Battle of the Bastards. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/298 "2017-08-30T05:50:15Z")
I watched the Preston review of ep 7 and i realized…maybe one just has to not think so hard when watching GoT cause i admit it has kind of become a mess when you think about it. I’m just gonna turn my brain off next season. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/299 "2017-08-30T05:58:42Z")
Next season, I predict that Theon shows up at the Iron Isles to rescue his sister and finds out that Euron isn’t there, that he’s gone to pick up the mercenaries. Yadda Yadda Yadda and Yara ends up uniting them to fight against the white walkers. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885/300 "2017-08-30T06:05:03Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The Starks have spent several seasons as window dressing. Basically from the Red Wedding onto the Battle of the Bastards. I really wish they’d ditch the “Three eyed raven” nonsense and give more time to… pretty much anything else. Having said that, I’ve never been keen on Brandon as a character so that might have a lot to do with it. Also, I’ve been extremely disappointed by the lack of nudity, brothels, and gratuitous sex in this series. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-7-07-the-dragon-and-the-wolf-8-27-17/794885.md?page=16)