# Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 \[SHOW ONLY\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867 "2019-04-21T23:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/221 "2019-04-23T23:09:16Z")
Now nobody knows but me. [https://i.imgur.com/YfBmuWd.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YfBmuWd.jpg) Now you know what a long way I’ll go for a joke, ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/222 "2019-04-23T23:20:30Z")
_Slate_ just posted about the show [changing its portrayal of Daenerys](https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/game-of-thrones-daenerys-unfit-to-rule-plot-trap.html). > [@Slate](#): > > In its final season, though, the show’s allegiance has changed. It used to be that almost everyone except slave traffickers and corrupt kings kept talking about how extraordinary and correct and wise Daenerys was. These days, the plot is side-eyeing her choices, and characters are chafing under her command. > … > Game of Thrones used to love its nobler contenders, but it’s becoming increasingly clear that Daenerys—that sometime Chosen One—has been unchosen. It’s quite an interesting transition to watch the show attempt. It involves, among other things, some pretty extreme redefinitions. Daenerys’ ambition, which was once celebrated, functions now as brittle hubris. The awe she once inspired in people plainly isn’t working on the Northerners, the show’s current audience surrogate. She seems more jealous than benevolent. Or maybe it has always been there. > [@Slate](#): > > It’s weird to say you deserve to lead a semi-democratic uprising, based on the consent of the governed … because you’re the rightful heir and their divinely chosen queen! Put differently, a schizoid aspect of Daenerys’ character, which I used to think was bad writing, might actually have been a planned schism between her revolutionary, egalitarian promises and her equally forceful belief that she was chosen to rule—and not by the people. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/223 "2019-04-23T23:40:56Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Now nobody knows but me. That was…oh. Yes, I suppose…maybe. I _really_ need to examine the sort of thing I consider NSFW! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/224 "2019-04-23T23:44:40Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Or maybe it has always been there. I wouldn’t say it’s always been there but it definitely didn’t start this season. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/225 "2019-04-23T23:59:05Z")
**[Moderating]** > [@Biggirl](#): > > She like them no dick niggas! I’m sure there are some subtle nuances of language here that I’m not savvy to. But by the same token, I’m sure that there are a lot of other folks here who likewise aren’t savvy to those nuances. And while I happen to know from other posts that **Biggirl** is African American, that’s not apparent online. So let’s please avoid terms like “niggas”. On the same note, not being familiar with the show, I’m not sure if “no dick” is meant literally here (as in, the character is a eunuch or similarly disfigured in the genitals), or as a disparagement of perceived inadequacy of manhood. If the latter, let’s avoid that, also. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/226 "2019-04-24T00:13:29Z")
Prediction: Jon hands Bran over to the Night King in order to same humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/227 "2019-04-24T00:36:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > On the same note, not being familiar with the show, I’m not sure if “no dick” is meant literally here (as in, the character is a eunuch or similarly disfigured in the genitals), or as a disparagement of perceived inadequacy of manhood. If the latter, let’s avoid that, also. [It’s true.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDQk4lGSEJQ) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/228 "2019-04-24T00:42:43Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > A few more random thoughts: > > - So much talk of the crypts, I’m almost wondering if they’re setting us up for a surprise. It’s too easy for all of us to figure out “OMG! Crypts are full of DEAD PEOPLE! Night King reanimates DEAD PEOPLE! They’re DOOOOMED!” Also, the dead in the crypts are mostly old dead - bones, etc. Are we going to get skeletons now? I really hope… something unforeseen happens down there. > > \ > > I can hardly wait until next week. I keep hearing reports of 55 days filming just this one episode. It’ll be glorious! Something different may be what is in store. Hard to tell. One _possible_ theory is that Sam will somehow manage to use the Horn of Winter and some think its power may be to resurrect the Starks in the crypt to fight the Night King. NOTE: 100% fan theory stuff here. Very little direct evidence. Could be completely wrong. What we do know: - Joramun supposedly blew the horn which, “woke giants from the earth.” Some say it will bring the wall down but it is already down so… **shrug** - Brandon the Builder built the crypts below Winterfell which are quite extensive. There should be a lot of Starks down there (IIRC this is 8,000 years since the time of Brandon the Builder…so lots and lots of ancestors in there). Why would he bother doing that? Doesn’t seem he’d build such a think just cuz when no one else in the world seems to go to that much trouble to bury their dead. I mean, maybe he did but he seems a more purposeful guy. - Mance Rayder spent a LOT of time looking for the [Horn of Winter](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Horn_of_Winter) but never found it. - John finds it when Ghost leads him to it. Some suggest Bloodraven (aka Three Eyed Crow) warged into Ghost and made that happen (because otherwise it would be bad writing and GRRM doesn’t just write in things where someone just “stumbled” over a super important item in the middle of nowhere). Bloodraven has been there, working behind the scenes for a long time. This is the sort of thing he could/would do. - Samwell gets a hold of the horn and takes it with him everywhere. Even when Samwell sells everything he has he keeps the horn. He almost certainly brought it with him to Winterfell. - Throughout the seasons they are sure to occasionally have something happen in the crypts. If they are just a superfluous place why bother with a whole set and filming scenes there? - The crypts now feature in the new opening credit roll. I honestly have no idea what will happen and while the horn is presumably a really important thing it also would seem a bit out of left field for it to save the day. That also doesn’t seem their style in this series. I mean, it has been in the series but very low key. Seems weird for it to be nothing. Seems weird if it saves the day. Perhaps it figures in later when(if) they go far north to the Night King’s home and do something there. What does seem certain is the crypts will figure in somehow. No clue but fun to think about. As to 55 days filming I read somewhere that this is the longest battle scene ever put to film. Movie or TV. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/229 "2019-04-24T00:49:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **[Moderating]** > > I’m sure there are some subtle nuances of language here that I’m not savvy to. But by the same token, I’m sure that there are a lot of other folks here who likewise aren’t savvy to those nuances. And while I happen to know from other posts that **Biggirl** is African American, that’s not apparent online. So let’s please avoid terms like “niggas”. > > On the same note, not being familiar with the show, I’m not sure if “no dick” is meant literally here (as in, the character is a eunuch or similarly disfigured in the genitals), or as a disparagement of perceived inadequacy of manhood. If the latter, let’s avoid that, also. It’s true, this man has no dick. Also, just because YOU can’t say it. . … OK, I’ll not talk like I’m black. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/230 "2019-04-24T00:53:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **[Moderating]** > > On the same note, not being familiar with the show, I’m not sure if “no dick” is meant literally here (as in, the character is a eunuch or similarly disfigured in the genitals), or as a disparagement of perceived inadequacy of manhood. If the latter, let’s avoid that, also. I have not followed the posts you referenced (just got here) but there is, indeed, a black man ([Grey Worm](https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Grey_Worm)) in the show (with a very prominent role) who has no dick. Him and all the soldiers he fights with (the [Unsullied](https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Unsullied)) are all eunuchs. While they may all be eunuchs they are widely considered one of the finest fighting forces in the world so demeaning them for their lack of genitals is unwise. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/231 "2019-04-24T00:54:55Z")
What would be awesome is if the dead in the crypts rise, everybody panics, and then they go fight the Army of the Dead because **they are all Starks**! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/232 "2019-04-24T01:05:58Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > What would be awesome is if the dead in the crypts rise, everybody panics, and then they go fight the Army of the Dead because **they are all Starks**! See post #228. It _might_ happen. On the flip side, from the episode 3 trailer, we see Arya running away in fear from something in Winterfell. Arya in episode 2 seemed to be looking forward to seeing the undead. Seems she got her wish and normally unflappable Arya is seriously spooked. I wonder if it is her mom who is after her (in the books her mom is already a walking dead…thing…that kills _ **any** _ Lannister and Frey she can get her hands on…obviously very different than the TV show). Dunno… ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/233 "2019-04-24T01:24:03Z")
What books? My understanding was that references to the books were to be avoided in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/234 "2019-04-24T01:35:45Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What books? My understanding was that references to the books were to be avoided in this thread. Sorry…my bad. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/235 "2019-04-24T01:48:22Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > It’s true, this man has no dick. Human sacrifice, direwolves and dragons living together… mass hysteria! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/236 "2019-04-24T02:43:14Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What books? My understanding was that references to the books were to be avoided in this thread. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Sorry…my bad. Yeah, to the best of my recollection none of that stuff has happened in the TV show, so it’s certain they won’t bring it in now. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/237 "2019-04-24T03:00:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > On the same note, not being familiar with the show, I’m not sure if “no dick” is meant literally here (as in, the character is a eunuch or similarly disfigured in the genitals), or as a disparagement of perceived inadequacy of manhood. If the latter, let’s avoid that, also. Danaerys first war council was in fact remarkable for its dearth of dicks, being composed of five women (two of them bisexual) and three eunuchs. The only fully-equipped male was a dwarf. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/238 "2019-04-24T03:11:14Z")
I think Dany is a case of power corrupts. She feels like she’s the chosen one and has a streak of successes that made her believe fate was on her side. She learned that done degree of brutality was needed in Mereen even though Jorah and Tyrion blunted the worst of her tendencies. Now she it’s finally close to achieving her ultimate goals, and some Westerosi nobles aren’t going to stop her. They better bow down and get with the program. Don’t they know who she is? I actually find her creeping corruption and obsession with dominating everyone to have been pretty well done and set up for a while, and I’m usually super critical of the writers mishandling characters. Maybe the audience bought into her being the Chosen One who will fix everything, and now that we see her more human and petty side it seems incongruous. But I think they handled this one pretty well. I’m fine with someone being forced to stab her in the face when/if her megalomania threatens humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/239 "2019-04-24T03:20:22Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yeah, to the best of my recollection none of that stuff has happened in the TV show, so it’s certain they won’t bring it in now. I’m pretty sure there was a horn in the cache Sam and Grenn found on the Fist of the First men, but I don’t think it will be revisited. I also think the Valonqar theory is forgotten at this point too. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/240 "2019-04-24T03:29:50Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yeah, to the best of my recollection none of that stuff has happened in the TV show, so it’s certain they won’t bring it in now. The Horn of Winter was [definitely in the TV show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqSdHokQZ8g). They did not know it was the Horn of Winter (at the time) but they found it and Sam keeps it realizing it is important. I seriously doubt they would have made that scene if nothing was to come of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=13)