# Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 \[SHOW ONLY\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867 "2019-04-21T23:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/301 "2019-04-24T14:08:14Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > That prophecy hasn’t held till now. It was already wrong the moment it aired. Maggy said Robert would have 20 children and Cersei would only have 3, but way back in season 1 it was revealed she had a son with Robert. All we have is Cersei’s claim about that in a moment where she’s using the thought to manipulate Catelyn. I personally think it was a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/302 "2019-04-24T14:10:03Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You know you guys are all just extending the diversion? > [@Slash1972](#): > > I am actually curious in case I missed it in the show. Exactly. Someone mentions something here, and since this is the show-only thread, I assume it’s something I missed or forgot. (It’s been ten years since I’ve watched some episodes, so it’s not all fresh in my memory.) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/303 "2019-04-24T14:20:59Z")
Which just points out how much everybody is overthinking how it is going to end. This show is being made by and for people who can’t remember last season, much less what happened 10 years ago. Subtle the ending **won’t** be. The show runners have praised the endings of “The Sopranos” and “Breaking Bad,” and we know how those ended. Expecting a savior is an exercise in futility here. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/304 "2019-04-24T14:25:25Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > All we have is Cersei’s claim about that in a moment where she’s using the thought to manipulate Catelyn. I personally think it was a lie. I don’t think it was a lie. Cersei may have been trying to manipulate Catelyn but I think she used a real fact about her life to do it. Plus I think the real purpose of that scene was to foreshadow the “seed is strong” since the child was a black-haired beauty and looked just like Robert. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/305 "2019-04-24T14:34:30Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Mereen was a slave state. To be a head of it was, ipso facto, the kind of people Dany wanted gone. He would not be in the position he was if he was not a part of the problem she sought to be rid of. She then immediately turned around and proposed to marry one of those same slavers, and agreed to reinstate the pit gladiatorial games at his request. She didn’t have the guy ripped in pieces just because he was a slaver. > [@](#): > > Sure, it is not modern due process but neither was it some random Joe off the street. It was completely random among the heads of the houses. She said she didn’t know whether they were all innocent or all guilty. She just chose a random victim either as revenge or a threat. We give Dany a break because she talks a good game about breaking the wheel, and she has freed slaves when she could. (And also, frankly, because she’s a beautiful young woman.) But otherwise she’s often been a stone-cold bitch who burns people alive when she has other options. Jon has always agonized when he’s had to execute someone, even his own murderers. I don’t think Dany has lost a moment of sleep over any of her own victims. She generally seems delighted afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/306 "2019-04-24T14:36:59Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > That prophecy hasn’t held till now. It was already wrong the moment it aired. Maggy said Robert would have 20 children and Cersei would only have 3, but way back in season 1 it was revealed she had a son with Robert. Three children who survived to some reasonable age to be counted. Cersei herself doesn’t even count that first Baratheon child when she numbers her children. And Robert might have had more unknown bastards beyond what has been discovered. Prophesies are sufficiently vague and malleable to cover such an understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/307 "2019-04-24T14:38:09Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > If that name _wasn’t_ dropped in the episodes, why are you mentioning it here? Because I do not have an eidetic memory of 69 episodes of dialog. I am human, I remember things imperfectly. If you can then lucky you. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/308 "2019-04-24T14:44:58Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > All we have is Cersei’s claim about that in a moment where she’s using the thought to manipulate Catelyn. I personally think it was a lie. She mentioned the boy later on in a conversation with Robert. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/309 "2019-04-24T14:58:17Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Three children who survived to some reasonable age to be counted. Cersei herself doesn’t even count that first Baratheon child when she numbers her children. > > And Robert might have had more unknown bastards beyond what has been discovered. > > Prophesies are sufficiently vague and malleable to cover such an understanding. Sure but it’s silly to turn around and say Cersei isn’t pregnant now or has to die in childbirth because this prophecy said she’ll only have 3 children which is sorta, maybe, kind of true if you look at it from a certain point of view because prophecies are vague and malleable. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/310 "2019-04-24T15:13:37Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Another “Daenerys is becoming darker” moment was when someone asked “What do dragons eat?”, and she replied “whatever they want…”. > > While the answer is the most realistic one, she delivers it with no sign of worry, and had no apparent desire to warn people to keep their little children indoors. She’s kinda just getting ‘that way’, maybe growing up and seeing the hardness of the world. Her words for Jon as he was getting ready to ride a dragon were oddly cold and practical contrasted with her actual feelings for him. I mark it down to the "superior "affect she thinks a queen ought to have (an affect Jon most decidedly has NOT adopted despite gaining considerable administrative and combat leadership). Maybe it’s because Denarys has never had to face the prospect of imminent and grizzly defeat in combat. She’s not had to be humble. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/311 "2019-04-24T16:16:25Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Maybe it’s because Denarys has never had to face the prospect of imminent and grizzly defeat in combat. She’s not had to be humble. The times she was under attack and threatened with imminent death in Essos are too numerous to count. Sometimes she and her allies were defeated and she only escaped by luck. And, this being the Dope, I must point out that unless she was attacked by a bear she would be under threat of grisly rather than grizzly death. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/312 "2019-04-24T16:32:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > And, this being the Dope, I must point out that unless she was attacked by a bear she would be under threat of grisly rather than grizzly death. 🙂 That’s funny because in an earlier season Brienne _was_ under threat of a grizzly death. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/313 "2019-04-24T16:40:00Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > That’s funny because in an earlier season Brienne _was_ under threat of a grizzly death. 😉 Thoros suffered a grisly death-grizzly death. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/314 "2019-04-24T16:50:17Z")
Nevermind ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/315 "2019-04-24T16:57:24Z")
Ever since the Hodor reveal, I’ve assumed that the Mad King’s madness was a result of him getting Hodor’d, either from Bran (my assumption at the time) or from the Night King (because he demonstrated similar powers when he touched Bran.) But Bran’s control is much better now; I don’t figure he’d accidentally lobotomize someone he was warging into now. And I’m having trouble coming up with a reason for the Night King to warg the Mad King in the first place. There weren’t dragons in the world, so they weren’t crossing south of the wall regardless. So I guess the Mad King wasn’t Hodor’d? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/316 "2019-04-24T17:04:51Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Ever since the Hodor reveal, I’ve assumed that the Mad King’s madness was a result of him getting Hodor’d, either from Bran (my assumption at the time) or from the Night King (because he demonstrated similar powers when he touched Bran.) > > But Bran’s control is much better now; I don’t figure he’d accidentally lobotomize someone he was warging into now. And I’m having trouble coming up with a reason for the Night King to warg the Mad King in the first place. There weren’t dragons in the world, so they weren’t crossing south of the wall regardless. > > So I guess the Mad King wasn’t Hodor’d? Several possibilities: [ul] [li]If he’s afraid of dragons, and Targaryens are linked with dragons, might make sense to cause the death of Targaryens.[/li][li]Try to get Aerys to use up the wildfire in King’s Landing[/li][li]A war of succession will damage the seven kingdoms and make it easier to invade[/li][li]It sets in motion a series of events that eventually brings him a dragon.[/li][/ul] Now, the last member of the list requires extraordinary foresight and/or the ability to see the future, but there are options to rationalize it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/317 "2019-04-24T17:06:12Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Ever since the Hodor reveal, I’ve assumed that the Mad King’s madness was a result of him getting Hodor’d, either from Bran (my assumption at the time) or from the Night King (because he demonstrated similar powers when he touched Bran.) > > But Bran’s control is much better now; I don’t figure he’d accidentally lobotomize someone he was warging into now. And I’m having trouble coming up with a reason for the Night King to warg the Mad King in the first place. There weren’t dragons in the world, so they weren’t crossing south of the wall regardless. > > So I guess the Mad King wasn’t Hodor’d? It could be that Bran does it because he realizes that the only way to defeat the Night King is to be in the situation we are now, and if the Mad King was still in charge they would all die. He discussion with Jamie kinda leads that way. I would be somewhat disappointed if there was no time travel-esqe plot point in the end. What’s the point of introducing it only to do nothing? It’s Chekov’s Hodor. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/318 "2019-04-24T17:33:23Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Ever since the Hodor reveal, I’ve assumed that the Mad King’s madness was a result of him getting Hodor’d, either from Bran (my assumption at the time) or from the Night King (because he demonstrated similar powers when he touched Bran.) > > But Bran’s control is much better now; I don’t figure he’d accidentally lobotomize someone he was warging into now. And I’m having trouble coming up with a reason for the Night King to warg the Mad King in the first place. There weren’t dragons in the world, so they weren’t crossing south of the wall regardless. > > So I guess the Mad King wasn’t Hodor’d? Don’t forget there was the Three Eyed Raven before Bran. He could have done it too. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/319 "2019-04-24T17:53:55Z")
Could just be that Targaryens are fucked in the head, not like we haven’t seen plenty of proof from that from the two show examples. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/320 "2019-04-24T18:07:26Z")
One of two things will happen: Dany assumes Jon is dead and razes WF with Jon walking through the flames…(Yes, i know he’s been burnt before) Jon starts to move towards Drogon and Dany to escape…and she looks at him, and INTENTIONALLY leaves him behind to die. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=17)