# Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 \[SHOW ONLY\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867 "2019-04-21T23:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/321 "2019-04-24T18:10:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Subtle the ending **won’t** be. The show runners have praised the endings of “The Sopranos” and “Breaking Bad,” and we know how those ended. I’m not sure what your point is. The endings of those two shows couldn’t have been more different. The ending of _Sopranos_ was so subtle that not even David Chase knows what happened. The end of _Breaking Bad_ wasn’t subtle, but it was by no means nihilistic. [spoiler]At the end of the _Sopranos_, we really don’t know if Tony ends up with his brains splattered on the table in front of his family, or goes on to rebuild his crime family and continue his life of murder and mayhem. David Chase basically offered a “write your own ending” for the viewer, which many people hated. He didn’t compromise the ending to meet viewer expectations. (Let’s not debate what “actually” happened in the end. Chase has pretty much said that ambiguity was his intention. Tony is Schroedinger’s Mafioso, simultaneously both dead and alive.) On _Breaking Bad_ we all knew that Walter White would come to no good end. But despite how completely evil he had become, Vince Gilligan pulled his punches at the end and gave him some measure of redemption, rather than seeing everything destroyed like Scarface. Walter was allowed to get revenge on his enemies, was allowed to pass on some of his blood money to his son and protect his family by killing Lydia, and rescued Jesse, who was allowed to escape (at least for a time). In a truly nihilistic ending, absolutely everything Walter cared about would have been utterly destroyed. This was really the most audience-pleasing ending we could have expected.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/322 "2019-04-24T18:12:07Z")
That would explain why, even though Jon and Daeneris claim to love each other they have exactly zero on-screen chemistry. If we weren’t told they loved each other, there’d be no way to tell. Or it could be the acting… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/323 "2019-04-24T18:21:04Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Could just be that Targaryens are fucked in the head, not like we haven’t seen plenty of proof from that from the two show examples. There have been more than two Targaryens in the TV series. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/324 "2019-04-24T18:25:54Z")
Also, while the theory Bran is the NK is well run over (And we’re simply running out of time for theories and prophecies. Shit i hope they dont mention Azor Ahai again…) maybe NK is simply trying to kill Bran before Bran can become the NK. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/325 "2019-04-24T18:32:51Z")
I hope that there was some discussion in that strategy meeting that anyone who dies will probably become a wight. Because that’s going to be some heavy psychological shit for them if it happens. The biggest gut punch would be Davos having to kill (re-kill?) the little girl but they already did that with the woman and those children at Hardhome. I think Greyworm having to kill Missandei would totally throw him off and probably lead to his death, too. Any one of the folks we saw in the one on one interactions in this episode could be faced with this. They really better be ready. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/326 "2019-04-24T18:44:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > That would explain why, even though Jon and Daeneris claim to love each other they have exactly zero on-screen chemistry. If we weren’t told they loved each other, there’d be no way to tell. > > Or it could be the acting… There has been precious little lovey-dovey scenes with them. Mostly they have them at odds with each other and only rare hints that there is affection. My theory is Rose Leslie (aka Ygritte) told Kit Harrington (aka Jon) she’d cut his balls off if there were a lot of sexy scenes with Emilia Clarke (aka Daenerys). It would not be the first time the show had to accommodate real-life lover’s quarrels (word is Jerome Flynn (Bronn) and Lena Headley (Cersei) dated at some point in real life and it ended so badly they refuse to be on the set with each other at the same time which the show had to work around). ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/327 "2019-04-24T18:53:49Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Dany assumes Jon is dead and razes WF with Jon walking through the flames…(Yes, i know he’s been burnt before) Speaking of, I will be particularly annoyed if they try to present Jon as fire resistant in any way. They went out of their way to show almost identical situations: Dany picks up dragon eggs out of a fire, holds them in her hands, not burnt, but her servant gets a waffle pattern hand tattoo just grabbing them from her and dropping them. Jon grabs a lantern by the hot part, shouts in pain from how it burns and throws it at a wight. I seem to recall him wrapping or bandaging it either immediately or in a later scene. That’s about as close to identical situations and you can make, and they spent time screen demonstrating the two characters are different. One hand burns, the other doesn’t. If they go back on that now I’ll be _super_ pissed. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/328 "2019-04-24T19:09:26Z")
You would think that if Daeneris is fire and Jon is ice, she might be immune to the flames, while he is able to withstand more cold than others. And he DID fall unto water in sub-zero temperature, remain in it for some time, then survive escaping the zombie horde in soaking wet furs in sub-zero weather. Or maybe that was just weak writing. If Jon doesn’t have some kind of extra immunity to the cold, he shouldn’t have survived. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/329 "2019-04-24T19:10:09Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Jon grabs a lantern by the hot part, shouts in pain from how it burns and throws it at a wight. I seem to recall him wrapping or bandaging it either immediately or in a later scene. Shit. Now I’m going to have to go back and find that scene because I distinctly remember him NOT getting burned, and a big deal being rather conspicuously not made about that. So much so that I was wondering what would happen to him when they tried to burn his corpse after he was murdered, and was a little disappointed he ended up getting resurrected instead of having a funeral. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And he DID fall unto water in sub-zero temperature, remain in it for some time, then survive escaping the zombie horde in soaking wet furs in sub-zero weather. > > Or maybe that was just weak writing. If Jon doesn’t have some kind of extra immunity to the cold, he shouldn’t have survived. I’d go with weak writing. When Bronn knocks Jamie off his horse just before he could get roasted by a dragon, they landed in the lake/river. Jamie’s got all his armor on, and I seem to recall he was sinking pretty sincerely. How far away from the battle were they when they finally came up? Is Jamie a fish? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/330 "2019-04-24T19:16:34Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Shit. Now I’m going to have to go back and find that scene because I distinctly remember him NOT getting burned, and a big deal being rather conspicuously not made about that. So much so that I was wondering what would happen to him when they tried to burn his corpse after he was murdered, and was a little disappointed he ended up getting resurrected instead of having a funeral.I’d go with weak writing. When Bronn knocks Jamie off his horse just before he could get roasted by a dragon, they landed in the lake/river. Jamie’s got all his armor on, and I seem to recall he was sinking pretty sincerely. How far away from the battle were they when they finally came up? Is Jamie a fish? And thus began the “Jaime is a secret Tully theory” ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/331 "2019-04-24T19:17:13Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There have been more than two Targaryens in the TV series. Besides fleeting visions by Bran of Rhaegar and Aerys, and Jon Targaryen-in-name-only-and-not-actually-in-name-either Snow, who else, besides Viserys and Daenerys? Okay, I’ll answer my own question: Maester Aemon. Anybody else? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/332 "2019-04-24T19:19:44Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Jon grabs a lantern by the hot part, shouts in pain from how it burns and throws it at a wight. > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Shit. Now I’m going to have to go back and find that scene because I distinctly remember him NOT getting burned, and a big deal being rather conspicuously not made about that. [Ellis Dee has it right (2:12).](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OyBW2fiF4) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/333 "2019-04-24T19:28:27Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Besides fleeting visions by Bran of Rhaegar and Aerys, and Jon Targaryen-in-name-only-and-not-actually-in-name-either Snow, who else, besides Viserys and Daenerys? Okay, I’ll answer my own question: Maester Aemon. Anybody else? There is four right there. And Jon counts since it is his genetic heritage we care about and not his name. And yes, and you have seen another character in the show on several occasions with a semi-important role and speaking parts but I do not think I am allowed to tell you who it is since I don’t think the show tells us that character’s background. I do not think they left it out to change the story. I think they left it out because of time considerations and it just wasn’t worth trying to tell the audience because it does not really change much. What I can tell you is that as a Targaryen that character is not nuts. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/334 "2019-04-24T19:30:50Z")
In the video Colibri linked above, you can even hear his hand burning like bacon on a griddle. They went super heavy on that sound effect. [Direct link](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI&t=2m2s) ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/335 "2019-04-24T19:37:19Z")
Weird. Alright. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/336 "2019-04-24T19:37:19Z")
A talky episode, true, but I didn’t mind. Some great before-the-battle camaraderie. Loved Tormund asking about Brienne as soon as he arrived at Winterfell. Tyrion overfilling Pod’s “half cup” of wine was a nice bit. Brienne getting knighted by Jaime was dripping with Pure Awesome. FWIW, I wasn’t bothered by Arya and Gendry getting bizzay - they’re both consenting adults, and I can understand her wanting to make love at least once before she died. > [@Colibri](#): > > At least we’ve resolved the questions about Arya’s sexuality. A girl may be bisexual. > [@LH75](#): > > In a series full of bad asses the baddest of them all, IMHO, is Lady Lyanna Mormont. She doesn’t get much screen time, but she has balls enough for an army. Yes! Nice scene with her and her cuz, Ser Friendzone. > [@Smid](#): > > But here’s to the missing, some of which _might_ turn up. A lot have been forgotten > > [Edmure] Tully > Red Witch > Meera Reed > Robyn Arryn > Daario Naharis > HOT PIE! > Jaqen (could come in on the side of the dead) > > …Anyone I’ve missed? The Red Witch will be back for sure, I’d say, given her comment to Varys about dying in Westeros. Not sure about the others, although I’d be glad to see Jaqen again. I’d also love to have Arya’s old dancing master Syrio finally pop up again, but I’m not holding my breath. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I think the Mountain was only mostly dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. He’s not dead yet! ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/337 "2019-04-24T19:38:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There has been precious little lovey-dovey scenes with them. Mostly they have them at odds with each other and only rare hints that there is affection. > > My theory is Rose Leslie (aka Ygritte) told Kit Harrington (aka Jon) she’d cut his balls off if there were a lot of sexy scenes with Emilia Clarke (aka Daenerys). > > It would not be the first time the show had to accommodate real-life lover’s quarrels (word is Jerome Flynn (Bronn) and Lena Headley (Cersei) dated at some point in real life and it ended so badly they refuse to be on the set with each other at the same time which the show had to work around). I am probably just a mark, but it fits their characters. Dany has had to project being an ice queen since Drogo died and has been afraid to let anyone see her as vulnerable. That is one reason why she had to dump fake Daario before leaving Essos. Jon is still the persecuted kid moping in the corner in his mind. Ygritte had to take all the initiative in their relationship because in his mind he is just not worthy of love because of the way his mother figure hated him. Their mutual attraction is so strong that it is able to overcome their personalities but even now it is really only expressed when they are alone. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/338 "2019-04-24T19:38:59Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Besides fleeting visions by Bran of Rhaegar and Aerys, and Jon Targaryen-in-name-only-and-not-actually-in-name-either Snow, who else, besides Viserys and Daenerys? Okay, I’ll answer my own question: Maester Aemon. Anybody else? I think this is the complete list: Daenerys Targaryen Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen) Viserys Targaryen Maester Aemon Targaryen Rhaegar Targaryen Aerys Targaryen (King Aerys II) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/339 "2019-04-24T19:40:42Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I think this is the complete list: > > Daenerys Targaryen > Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen) > Viserys Targaryen > Maester Aemon Targaryen > Rhaegar Targaryen > Aerys Targaryen (King Aerys II) Does the vision of Rhaego count? ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/340 "2019-04-24T19:44:11Z")
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