# Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 \[SHOW ONLY\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867 "2019-04-21T23:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/341 "2019-04-24T19:50:03Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > How about all the Baratheons? They’re part Targaryen right? Frankly, considering the standard MO among the noble houses is to marry off their children for various alliances, every Lord and Lady are probably a little bit Targaryen/Lannister/Stark/etc. these days. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/342 "2019-04-24T19:54:46Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Also, while the theory Bran is the NK is well run over (And we’re simply running out of time for theories and prophecies. Shit i hope they dont mention Azor Ahai again…) maybe NK is simply trying to kill Bran before Bran can become the NK. Wild-ass theory #2: Jon Snow is that actual Aegon and is going to go back in time to conquer the seven kingdoms. Wild-ass theory #3: Dany goes back in time to bring the five abandon houses forward with their dragons to fight the [del]Thread[/del] White Walkers. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/343 "2019-04-24T20:05:50Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > How about all the Baratheons? They’re part Targaryen right? I don’t recall that being mentioned explicitly in the TV show. I believe it is so according to other sources. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/344 "2019-04-24T20:20:54Z")
And i guess Tyrion will survive to convince Dany to leave Jon behind or perhaps he lies to her that Jon is dead to get her to leave after all is lost Later when she discovers Jon is alive…she has Tyrion executed ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/345 "2019-04-24T20:37:09Z")
Here’s more on the song Pod sings (hey, you could have Pod on your iPod!): [Game of Thrones: The Hidden Meaning Behind Podrick’s Song | Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/04/game-of-thrones-song-podrick-jenny-song-meaning-books-jenny-oldstones) > [@carlb](#): > > …I don’t think [Sansa’s feeling towards Theon are] romantic; I think she feels a genuine debt of gratitude for how Theon treated her during her marriage to Ramsay, and for his helping her escape. With all of the loss she’s endured, having someone who was on her side show up not dead would be heartwarming. I read her embrace of him as noting more than a survivor genuinely happy to see a fellow survivor of the same tragedy re-appear in her life. I think that’s probably right, although having it veer into romance wouldn’t surprise me. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > My wild ass theory: The leader of the Golden Company is actually Jaqen H’ghar Ooo, nice! I like it. > [@Wheelz](#): > > …Dany’s insistence that she be recognized as Queen and that everybody bend the knee has clearly been ramped way up of late… And yet she didn’t order Jaime to bend the knee. Curious. > [@silenus](#): > > What would be awesome is if the dead in the crypts rise, everybody panics, and then they go fight the Army of the Dead because **they are all Starks**! Ah-ha, the Aragorn Gambit! > [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think Dany is a case of power corrupts… “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” - Lord Acton “Power corrupts, and absolute power is actually pretty neat.” - Christopher Buckley > [@carlb](#): > > …On the other hand, how much more poignant and tragic would it be for Jaime to end up killing Cersei _while she’s carrying his child_? That feels very Game of Thrones to me. Yup. I’ve been saying that for years. I predict he will, tragically, have to become a Queenslayer as well as a Kingslayer. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/346 "2019-04-24T20:43:54Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Frankly, considering the standard MO among the noble houses is to marry off their children for various alliances, every Lord and Lady are probably a little bit Targaryen/Lannister/Stark/etc. these days. Certainly happens in the real world. I recall a part when listening to Dan Carlin’s podcast on WWI that back channel communications between heads of state was easy because they were all related. You can see it in [this picture of King George V and his cousin Tsar Nicholas II](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/king-george-tsar-nicholas-1913/) (you can barely tell them apart). Kaiser Wilhelm was also first cousins with George (and third cousin with Nicholas I think). So if they needed to talk to each other they could do so on familial grounds informally. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/347 "2019-04-24T20:49:41Z")
Probably true for most major houses, but the Targaryens are comparatively new to Westeros and interbreed a lot more so I wouldn’t be surprised if their genes hadn’t spread all that widely. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/348 "2019-04-24T21:07:50Z")
Didn’t the leader of the Golden Company already disappoint Cersei with his lack of elephants in Episode 1? That said, I could see Daario showing up as having infiltrated its ranks somehow and convincing ($$$) some faction of them to fight for Dany instead. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/349 "2019-04-24T21:10:58Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There is four right there. And Jon counts since it is his genetic heritage we care about and not his name. > > And yes, and you have seen another character in the show on several occasions with a semi-important role and speaking parts but I do not think I am allowed to tell you who it is since I don’t think the show tells us that character’s background. I do not think they left it out to change the story. I think they left it out because of time considerations and it just wasn’t worth trying to tell the audience because it does not really change much. > > What I can tell you is that as a Targaryen that character is not nuts. This seems pretty minor, but seriously, I think it’s best to not even hint at this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/350 "2019-04-24T21:40:16Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > I re-watched “A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms” tonight and realized that nobody died in this episode. No main characters, no secondary or tertiary characters, no walk-on one-line characters, no nameless extras in the background. Nobody. > > In fact, nobody so much as stubbed a toe or got a paper cut. > > Could this have been the most remarkably violence-free episode in the entire series? The HBO rating warning at the beginning was remarkable: Language Brief Nudity. What? No extreme violence? No graphic nudity? What the hell is this?? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/351 "2019-04-24T21:51:16Z")
The diplomatic issues in play seem _really_ easy to solve. (1) Jon and Dany act as co-rulers, co-sitters-on-the-Iron Throne, like William & Mary. (They won’t have any children, so they will need to take steps to avert a War of the Westeros Succession). (2) Make The North a quasi-independent state with Sansa as its Warden, allied with but not subservient to the Iron Throne, with all the associated mutual aid treaties, etc. Easy peasy. I think this was the first episode entirely set in a single location (and it’s weird to have all our characters bumping into each other). Not a single cut away to “Meanwhile at King’s Landing/Essos/Braavos/Ultima Thule/Beleriand/R’lyeh/Fordor & Tudor…” ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/352 "2019-04-24T21:58:24Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I think this was the first episode entirely set in a single location (and it’s weird to have all our characters bumping into each other). Not a single cut away to “Meanwhile at King’s Landing/Essos/Braavos/Ultima Thule/Beleriand/R’lyeh/Fordor & Tudor…” They’ve done it at least a couple times. Blackwater was one. The fight at Castle Black was another. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/353 "2019-04-24T22:00:01Z")
I really don’t think Jon wants to be king. He didn’t want to be Lord Commander. He didn’t want to be King of the North. When Dany says that he now has a claim to the throne, he gives her a look like “Do you really think that’s what I care about?” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/354 "2019-04-24T22:10:17Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I really don’t think Jon wants to be king. He didn’t want to be Lord Commander. He didn’t want to be King of the North. When Dany says that he now has a claim to the throne, he gives her a look like “Do you really think that’s what I care about?” Yeah but he needs to give her more than a look. It would help matters a lot if he were crystal clear on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/355 "2019-04-24T22:30:12Z")
[Moderating] **Whack-a-Mole** , tapdancing around what you can and can’t say doesn’t do anyone any good. If you can’t mention something, just don’t. It doesn’t work to mention that you’re not mentioning something, because that’s mentioning it. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/356 "2019-04-25T00:31:43Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The diplomatic issues in play seem _really_ easy to solve. (1) Jon and Dany act as co-rulers, co-sitters-on-the-Iron Throne, like William & Mary. (They won’t have any children, so they will need to take steps to avert a War of the Westeros Succession). (2) Make The North a quasi-independent state with Sansa as its Warden, allied with but not subservient to the Iron Throne, with all the associated mutual aid treaties, etc. Easy peasy… I was thinking of a scenario along the lines of Daenerys & Jon/Aegon VI marry and nominally share the Iron Throne and he is King of the North in his own right, but lives in the North and only occasionally visits King’s Landing for ceremonial occasions. Assuming Daenerys is infertile Jon/Aegon VI takes a concubine to produce an heir. The North ends up an nominally independent realm in a personal union with the rest of Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/357 "2019-04-25T00:56:31Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Didn’t the leader of the Golden Company already disappoint Cersei with his lack of elephants in Episode 1? I think it’s more a case of the Golden Company finally giving the HBO budget guy something to be happy about. “Jesus Christ! I draw the line here! No elephants!” Jon’s being Aegon VI seems to provide an obvious solution; in return for renouncing his claim to sit on the Iron Throne, and supporting the ascension of Daenerys I, she grants the North independence and recognizes him as Aegon I of the North or, even likelier, recognizes Sansa I, and he rebuilds the Night’s Watch to await the next visit by the undead. George RR Martin was not very original in his names, huh? “The North.” Humans have inhabited it for over ten thousands years and they never gave it an actual NAME. The Vale. Stormlands. The Summer Islands. Winterfell. Aegon the Conqueror landed here, let’s call it… King’s Landing! Christ. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/358 "2019-04-25T01:14:28Z")
Has it been suggested that when the Night King comes for the Three Eyed Raven, it will really be Arya? It’s really hard not to form theories about this show. I am **not** looking forward to the next episode. And I am looking forward to the next episode. It’s gonna be brutal. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/359 "2019-04-25T01:26:14Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > he rebuilds the Night’s Watch to await the next visit by the undead. If they kill the Night King there won’t be any more White Walkers or undead ever again, and no need for a Night’s Watch. (The Night King was the original White Walker created by the Children of the Forest, and if he’s destroyed all of the Walkers he created, and all of the undead they raised, are also destroyed.) If they don’t kill the Night King, they’ll all be undead themselves and there will still be no need for the Night’s Watch. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/360 "2019-04-25T02:02:48Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The diplomatic issues in play seem _really_ easy to solve. (1) Jon and Dany act as co-rulers, co-sitters-on-the-Iron Throne, like William & Mary. (They won’t have any children…) I wouldn’t be so sure. > [@Colibri](#): > > If they kill the Night King … all of the Walkers he created, and all of the undead they raised, are also destroyed… Do we _really_ know that, either? > **[Keystone Army - TV Tropes](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KeystoneArmy)** > > A Keystone Army is an invasion force or army that's seemingly unstoppable, except for one particular weakness in the form of a well protected but very fragile component. It can be an individual soldier, an object or whatever, but if you destroy … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=19)