# Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 \[SHOW ONLY\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867 "2019-04-21T23:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/421 "2019-04-25T19:13:56Z")
But what if both Bran and the Night King die? The war is still won but without Bran surviving. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/422 "2019-04-25T19:14:26Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Theon was not Theon. Theon was Reek. A broken being. He didn’t even want to be rescued by his sister when she attempted to do that. He’s has been broken in a different way. He might have had some redemption here, but under there, Reek is always there… Theon isn’t Reek anymore. And Reek was broken, but not feeble-minded. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/423 "2019-04-25T19:16:00Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Bran has said the Night King’s goal is to erase human memory, ie the Three-Eyed Raven, ie Bran. If he goes down in this battle then it’s game over and the Night King has no reason to march any further south immediately. I don’t see why. I mean, our world has done pretty well without any three-eyed ravens, and there are books and scrolls everywhere in Westeros. Might’ve put Snopes out of business, though. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/424 "2019-04-25T19:27:46Z")
I imagine the point of killing Bran is so humanity can’t recover, they still plan on wiping out humanity. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/425 "2019-04-25T19:36:00Z")
Given that they can’t swim, I wonder how they plan on getting to Essos. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/426 "2019-04-25T19:37:38Z")
Someone suggested (perhaps jokingly) that the Night King could freeze the oceans. Or are they smart enough to take a ship? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/427 "2019-04-25T19:39:26Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Someone suggested (perhaps jokingly) that the Night King could freeze the oceans. Or are they smart enough to take a ship? They hauled a dragon out of a lake with an anchor chain. According to the movies I’ve seen, hauling on ropes and chains is 90% of sailoring. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/428 "2019-04-25T19:47:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Yeah, a few of the cast are still wearing plot armor. Jon, Dany and Jaime being the main three. Probably Tyrion and Arya as well. Definitely The Hound. And if Bran is to be believed, he is still protected as well. All that armor will disappear by Episode 8, of course. But for the nonce, these folks still have plot lines to finish. What protects Arya? She just outraged everyone by growing up, the left hook would be killing her a couple hours later before she even gets to show off her new weapon. Recall Tyron’s story of their simple cousin Orson who smashed beetles because he was a simple guy who smashed beetles–My read was Tyrion was making a clumsy effort to equate the simple cousin to life in general. Sometimes random shit just happens despite your best laid plans. There was no question Oberyn could Kill The Mountain. In fact he had, for almost all practical purposes. And then: random shit. Putting Arya away early in the fight due to a pratfall would totally work. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/429 "2019-04-25T19:50:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not seeing it. Jamie couldn’t beat Brienne when he had two hands. He’s not going to beat zombie Brienne with one hand. Have the wights been shown to be that capable of fighters? They tend to win more by completely overwhelming with their horde. We haven’t really seen a known character reanimated and able to retain human fighting ability, so that’s a bit of an unknown. And in any case, Jamie has a Valerian Steel sword and access to other dragon-glass weapons which are basically instant death for wights. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/430 "2019-04-25T19:51:52Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Given that they can’t swim, I wonder how they plan on getting to Essos. All they need is for one White Walker to get there somehow (dragon?) and raise the dead over there. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/431 "2019-04-25T20:13:29Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > What protects Arya? She just outraged everyone by growing up, the left hook would be killing her a couple hours later before she even gets to show off **her new weapon**. If it weren’t for Chekov’s Quarterstaff I’d agree with you. Maybe she gets to use it, it works perfectly, and then she trips over a rock and breaks her neck. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/432 "2019-04-25T20:43:25Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I’d say that’s a pretty safe bet. Tormund having to [fight Brienne] would be funnier, but that’s not what the writers are going to go for. Funnier? I think it’d be tragic. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > …Here’s an interesting idea - Bronn shows up, not planning to kill [Jaime] or Tyrion at all but to join them, but he runs into zombie [Jaime] and winds up killing him with the crossbow - thereby doing what Cersei wanted, but for totally different reasons. Not bad! It could work. But I agree with those who’ve suggested that Jaime and his dear sister have at least one more face-to-face meeting ahead of them, possibly lethal to both. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Doesn’t the Citadel (and its library) represent another way to maintain a collective memory? Fair point. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/433 "2019-04-25T20:54:00Z")
> [@robby](#): > > So how’d that whole White Walker thing work out for them? :dubious: > [@Acsenray](#): > > I think the irony is intended. That’s exactly the point. The White Walkers are analogous to nuclear weapons. The Children created them as a weapon against the First Men. Then the Walkers turned on them, and they had to fight alongside the First Men to defeat them. Once that war was won, however, the Children died out or were pushed north of the Wall by the First Men. The Children weren’t the smartest twigs on the tree. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/434 "2019-04-25T21:00:29Z")
Children. What’re ya gonna do! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/435 "2019-04-25T21:14:33Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > What protects Arya? Arya is protected because of her years of Faceless Man training and the ability to change faces. The latter is of no use against the Army of the Dead, but only against humans. We’ve really seen her use it only once in a major way, to get revenge on the Freys. (Also to get revenge against Meryn Trant, but that was completely irrelevant to the main plot.) We have to think that this exotic ability has to have some more significance in the plot aside from private revenge. Otherwise we’ve mostly wasted all those boring scenes in the House of Black and White in Braavos. Arya has to survive long enough to use this ability against humans, specifically Cersei. Cersei is nearly the only one left alive on Arya’s kill list that she still has reason to kill. She’s pretty much reconciled with the Hound. Melisandre and Beric were on the list because of Gendry, but since he survived she doesn’t have much motivation to kill them now, and besides Beric is on their side and Melisandre resurrected Jon. The Mountain is already sort of dead, and Ilyn Payne hasn’t been seen for years. > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > What I don’t get are the ones who say Sam AND Gilly AND Little Sam have plot armor. Why? Sam’s story job was to get the info on L+R and how to use dragonglass, and he’s already passed both along. And Gilly and babe never had any importance in the show, other than a reason for Sam to man up some. I agree they don’t have much plot armor, but they do have a little. Sam has done most of his information dump, but could still know some things that might prove useful. The main importance they have is as representatives of the little folk of this world, who have mostly gotten short shrift. (I know Sam is technically a noble, but he’s been rejected by them.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/436 "2019-04-25T21:17:29Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The Children weren’t the smartest twigs on the tree. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Children. What’re ya gonna do! I have to think that they are involved somewhere in the Starks’ ancestry.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/437 "2019-04-25T21:17:31Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > What protects Arya? She just outraged everyone by growing up, the left hook would be killing her a couple hours later before she even gets to show off her new weapon. This was floating around on how someone thinks her [weapon might work](https://i.imgur.com/hbHnonY.png) (this is a joke, not a spoiler…unless they happen to be right). 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/438 "2019-04-25T21:18:18Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Have the wights been shown to be that capable of fighters? They tend to win more by completely overwhelming with their horde. We haven’t really seen a known character reanimated and able to retain human fighting ability, so that’s a bit of an unknown. And in any case, Jamie has a Valerian Steel sword and access to other dragon-glass weapons which are basically instant death for wights. Speaking of which: if I was running the armory I’d be turning almost all my dragon-glass into battle-axes. Using them as missiles (arrowheads, lance heads) is a waste. The effect they have on wights is total and immediate (IIRC); a phalanx of axe-wielders would just wade through the wight army like a threshing machine. Save the spears for long-range objectives, like the Night King and the dragon. (Is the dragon a wight-dragon or a white-walker-dragon? I think it’s the latter, because he has blue eyes) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/439 "2019-04-25T21:24:12Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Someone suggested (perhaps jokingly) that the Night King could freeze the oceans. Or are they smart enough to take a ship? > [@SmellMyWort](#): > > All they need is for one White Walker to get there somehow (dragon?) and raise the dead over there. Since the Night King and the White Walkers are magical creatures conjured/summoned by the Children of the Forest to fight the First Men to reclaim Westeros, I think it remains to be seen whether the Walkers have any power beyond Westeros. It might be that the magic that animates them also keeps them confined to the continent. However, if they rule Westeros, I don’t think the maesters of the Citadel will have any chance of surviving. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/440 "2019-04-25T21:25:45Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Have the wights been shown to be that capable of fighters? They tend to win more by completely overwhelming with their horde. We haven’t really seen a known character reanimated and able to retain human fighting ability, so that’s a bit of an unknown. And in any case, Jamie has a Valerian Steel sword and access to other dragon-glass weapons which are basically instant death for wights. The wight that Jon and guys captured and took south was strong and quick, but was cut in half by the Hound with one swing of a sword [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetyHT-rZx0) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=23)