# Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 \[SHOW ONLY\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867 "2019-04-21T23:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/121 "2019-04-22T21:57:31Z")
It sure did look like Sansa had possibly romantic feelings for Theon, did it not? I thought they shared one too many significant looks. And hey, if Grey Worm and Missandei can hook up… The fact that we have yet to see Melisandre leads me to suspect that she is going to make a surprise entrance in the battle just as all hope is lost - possibly having to do with all the people on the scene who have King’s blood. I suspect that’s why Gendry is there, plot-wise. There will be some heroic suicide mission required by someone with King’s blood, and Jon Snow will be planning to do it but Gendry will step up and do it instead. Or something like that. We have established that his blood is powerful magic for the Lord of Light, and now he is where it can be useful. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/122 "2019-04-22T21:57:59Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > But not Sansa’s When we first saw her Sansa was a girly-girl and quite attracted to boys. Now her abuse by Joffrey and especially Ramsay may have given her an aversion to men, but I don’t think that there’s much question that her basic orientation is hetero. This is in contrast to Arya, who up to now has shown minimal sexual interest in anyone, male or female. (Not to mention dressing as a male for most of the show, even when she wasn’t pretending to be a boy.) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/123 "2019-04-22T21:59:13Z")
Sansa has shown romantic interest in both Joffrey and Loras, although she was prepubescent at the time and probably 50% or more of it was just in love with the idea of being a princess anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/124 "2019-04-22T22:11:53Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Because Jaime now knew for sure that Bran knew. Unlike the case with Littlefinger, however, the remark didn’t reveal to Jaime that Bran was omniscient, since Bran could have just recovered from his amnesia about the incident. He finds that out in the godswood. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/125 "2019-04-22T23:23:55Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I found the Arya/Gendry sex seen unsettling, even more so than Sansa being raped on her wedding night. Which makes no sense Arya and Gendry are both consenting adults. As did I. I/we shouldn’t, given that, by GOT standards, it was pretty mild. But I did. It’s because I’ve been (we have been) watching this actress since she was a child, and it’s unsettling to see her perform in even the gauziest, not-quite-full-frontal, maybe-a-body-double sexualized scene. I found it uncomfortable. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/126 "2019-04-22T23:31:26Z")
Yeah, it was uncomfortable. Imagine how uncomfortable the actor who played Gendry, who worked with Masie when she was 12 years old and probably treated her like an older brother, felt about having a sex scene with her. Weird all around. At least in the link provided the showrunners said they left it up to Masie exactly how much she was willing to reveal. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/127 "2019-04-22T23:31:26Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Sansa has shown romantic interest in both Joffrey and Loras, although she was prepubescent at the time and probably 50% or more of it was just in love with the idea of being a princess anyway. Sansa has never been prepubescent within the time period portrayed on the show (other than in flashbacks that didn’t involve her IIRC). > [@RickJay](#): > > The Arya/Gendry thing was inevitable but honestly, guys, you can cut that scene off when they start kissing. We don’t NEED to see Maisie Williams’s boobs. Okay, but we also don’t NEED scenes of battle, dragons flying, etc. Many of us WANT those things. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/128 "2019-04-22T23:31:45Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I’m not predicting this, but what if the army of the dead basically ignored Winterfell and just kept heading south? I realize a) They could have done that if they wanted and b) The whole Three Eyed Raven thing. > I do wonder if the living survivors head to Moat Cailin or some other fortification to the south. > > Brian My thought is similar. The dead send a token force to attack Winterfell (and siege it), but are actually mostly still moving south. Our heroes break the siege, and then are forced into a moral quandary of heading south now to help Cersei’s army…or do what she intended and wait to mop up the “survivors.” Although that’s a terrible plan as Dany and Jon’s armies actually have appropriate weapons (dragons, dragon glass) but Cersei will just be feeding more bodies to the Night King. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Sansa has never been prepubescent within the time period portrayed on the show (other than in flashbacks that didn’t involve her IIRC). Depends on your definition…Sansa gets her 1st period during the series. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/129 "2019-04-22T23:45:19Z")
Huh, I don’t remember that but I will take your word for it. Sophie Turner was 15 when the show began and had clearly already gone through a growth spurt. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/130 "2019-04-23T00:15:55Z")
Yeah, the actress was 15 but Sansa was 12. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/131 "2019-04-23T00:20:47Z")
Book or TV? I am pretty sure they aged Sansa in the TV series to make future events slightly less icky. Brian ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/132 "2019-04-23T00:29:12Z")
I had a crazy thought today. Bronn shows up at Winterfell, the dragon remembers him as the person that shot at him with the Scorpion and immediately eats him. No cooking him first, just bites him in half and swallows the pieces. I like Bronn but that would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/133 "2019-04-23T00:43:44Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Another thing I meant to mention is that Daenerys keeps saying that she has wanted the Iron Throne her whole life, that it is all she ever wanted. That’s not true. Until Viserys died there was never any possibility that she could get the throne. She grew up believing that he was the true king. She was sold to Drogo to get an army for him. She had no expectations of ruling anything. So she has only wanted the throne for a few years. I guess revising that history is supposed to make it seem even harder for her to give it up. Yes, the idea is to instill in viewers a motivation for Dany to do whatever awful thing she’s going to do, ‘because she has wanted the I.T. all her life’------except, as you rightly point out, the _opposite_ is what has actually been established. It’s that essence of lazy writing that this show has exemplified all too often: don’t go to all the trouble of establishing what you need to in order to get the emotional effect you want. Instead, just make a declaration to set up that emotional effect—even if it’s contradicted by what’s been shown before—and hope no one will notice. It’s very annoying. > [@Biggirl](#): > > I also thought this was silly of Sansa. Did she not learn _anything_ from Littlefinger? You do not show your hand to the fucking Queen like that. You make her think you’re on board. Why antagonize for no damned reason? To set up a Big Emotional Payoff (see ‘bad writing’). Of course if the character Sansa were as wise as we were _told_ she was, she would never have behaved as she did in that conversation. > [@Lantern](#): > > … The big moment when Jon reveals his secret to Dany was wasted. … And it was also another example of lazy writing. Would a reasonably-intelligent person choose the moment before a life-and-death major battle to divulge something that can’t possibly be resolved then and there, but instead is almost guaranteed to cause a major distraction (at best) and likely antagonism in a needed ally? Of course not. But it ‘ramps up the suspense,’ so let’s have Jon behave like a complete idiot for no reason, and reveal the secret at the worst possible time. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/134 "2019-04-23T00:48:40Z")
This would have been too sick even for this show, but just rationally, in terms of strategy and utilitarian ethics: wouldn’t it have been wise to incinerate every person who could not fit (or was unwilling to go) inside Winterfell’s walls, as a preemptive move to deny the opposing army more bodies? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/135 "2019-04-23T01:02:51Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > - We saw a LOT of Brienne this episode, plus she was knighted. She’s all poised to die a glorious hero death next week. I’ll be sorry to see her go. Me, too. (Yes, I’d be amazed if she’s around for episodes 4, 5, or 6, unless as a wight.) How many of the characters will end up as wights? I suppose someone, somewhere, is making book on this. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > They went to great lengths to show the crypts in the intro, so I’m betting that there’ll be a lot going on down there. Yes, that’s pretty much a sure thing. > [@Colibri](#): > > ``` > ... **Characters who have no further utility than having a heroic and/or poignant death:** > > ``` > > -Brienne. As the most noble, selfless, and heroic character, who has just had the happiest moment of her life, she’s pretty much dead meat sooner rather than later. > … > -Tormund. Might be kept around for comic relief, or as the Last of the Wildlings. I’m picturing Lieutenant Gorman and Private Vasquez in the air duct, activating the grenade as the enemy draws near. Something like that for Brienne and Tormund, maybe. After all those times of eye-rolling at him, Brienne finally acknowledges his worth as a warrior as they face death together.\* > [@Colibri](#): > > **Characters who will survive the Battle of Winterfell but may die later.** > -Gendry. I don’t think they’ll throw away the Last Baratheon just yet. Well, as has been noted, his blood could be important. But now that Arya carries his child----and we can pretty much count on her having become pregnant, given the type of story we’re dealing with----he may well be expendable. \*Granted, she did give him a bit of acknowledgement in this episode already. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/136 "2019-04-23T01:03:22Z")
I’m finding that random strangers not acknowledging that a real person grows from a girl to an actual adult woman a whole lot creepier than anything that happened on the show. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/137 "2019-04-23T01:35:13Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I’m finding that random strangers not acknowledging that a real person grows from a girl to an actual adult woman a whole lot creepier than anything that happened on the show. The problem is she didn’t do a whole lot of growing. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/138 "2019-04-23T01:48:15Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The problem is she didn’t do a whole lot of growing. 😕 You think she had that same shape of body in S1? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/139 "2019-04-23T02:12:02Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Sansa has never been prepubescent within the time period portrayed on the show (other than in flashbacks that didn’t involve her IIRC). At least the entire first season. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/140 "2019-04-23T02:34:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The problem is she didn’t do a whole lot of growing. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > 😕 You think she had that same shape of body in S1? Maisie Williams was 13 when Season 1 was shot, and 21 when this season was shot. Here she is [from Season 1-6.](https://pics.me.me/season-1-arya-stark-season-2-season-3-season-4-21329436.png) [I don’t think she looked like this at 13.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/d4/34/93d434072eebf891f14820df6324f8a4.jpg) It’s actually fortunate that she didn’t grow very tall, so she could continue to play a waiflike Arya. It would have been awkward if she had shot up and grown taller than Sophie Turner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=8)