# Game of Thrones 8.02 "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" 4/21/19 \[SHOW ONLY\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867 "2019-04-21T23:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/141 "2019-04-23T02:47:27Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes, the idea is to instill in viewers a motivation for Dany to do whatever awful thing she’s going to do, ‘because she has wanted the I.T. all her life’------except, as you rightly point out, the _opposite_ is what has actually been established. What’s been established is Daenerys hell bent on doing whatever it takes to get the iron throne for the past 8 years (which to her surely must feel like a lifetime compared to her first 17 years) I don’t find it a stretch for her to say she’s wanted it all her life even though it’s technically been a third of her life. There’s plenty of actual lazy writing point out , grouping in things like this is lazy critiquing 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/142 "2019-04-23T03:11:50Z")
Something that caught my ear: After Sam gives his family sword to Jorah, he’s walking away but pauses and turns back to Jorah to say… “I hope we win.” _Princess Bride_ reference, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/143 "2019-04-23T03:43:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The problem is she didn’t do a whole lot of growing. So what? So she’s 5’0". She’s short. That doesn’t mean she didn’t obviously become an adult in that body. I’ve come to realize that a huge proportion of the sexism in our society comes from the simple fact that so many men are so much taller than so many women. If women were all as tall as Gwendoline Christie and could look men straight in the eye - or down at them - equality would be taken for granted. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/144 "2019-04-23T05:29:04Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Depends on your definition…Sansa gets her 1st period during the series. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Huh, I don’t remember that but I will take your word for it. Sophie Turner was 15 when the show began and had clearly already gone through a growth spurt. [Season 2 Episode 7.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1hF0CbzGDY) She tries to cover it up because it means now she’ll have to marry Joffrey. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/145 "2019-04-23T05:29:33Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It sure did look like Sansa had possibly romantic feelings for Theon, did it not? I thought they shared one too many significant looks. I think their feelings are their shared history of being tortured by Ramsey in Winterfell. And then Theon helping Sansa escape and his genuine remorse at all the shit he has caused and now he’s back to fight for her. In a weird way, he might be the closest “brother” she has left. It didn’t strike me as romantic, anyway. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Why is Theon the only one going with Bran? It’s not just Theon, the Ironborn red shirts he brought with him are tagging along. And now we’re caught up on all things Theon! ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/146 "2019-04-23T06:48:47Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This would have been too sick even for this show, but just rationally, in terms of strategy and utilitarian ethics: wouldn’t it have been wise to incinerate every person who could not fit (or was unwilling to go) inside Winterfell’s walls, as a preemptive move to deny the opposing army more bodies? What do you think the Dragons are out doing? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/147 "2019-04-23T07:18:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Although I thought the first two episodes were good, this was bad pacing. Two episodes about the same thing where nothing actually happened, in a six episode season? A thousand times this. The season is 1/3 over now, and we’ve just been hanging around a castle the whole time, talking endlessly. Some of it was cool (e.g. knighting Brienne) but little of it necessary (e.g. Maisie working Gendry’s weapon). ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/148 "2019-04-23T07:45:13Z")
I think something may come from the Tyrion Bran conversation. That particular ‘buddy moment’ was not required. If it wasn’t required then it may have consequences. With regards to the Arya sex scene I think my hang-up about it is that the series producers have a dubious record of using gratuitous sex & nudity. At least this was the case in earlier seasons. I just don’t trust them when it comes to dealing with sexuality. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/149 "2019-04-23T08:00:29Z")
The Arya sex scene was uncomfortable to watch. Now, I don’t think it was gratutious\*, it showed her growing up and it was good story telling. But yes, uncomfortable. I think it was purposely played this way. Its a person who basically has had no childhood, at least the second part of it. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/150 "2019-04-23T08:07:06Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > A thousand times this. The season is 1/3 over now, and we’ve just been hanging around a castle the whole time, talking endlessly. Some of it was cool (e.g. knighting Brienne) but little of it necessary (e.g. Maisie working Gendry’s weapon). FWIW, the last 4 episodes are supposed to be roughly 25ish minutes longer than an average episode, which I think normally clock in at around 55 minutes. So that might be like 100 extra minutes over the last 4 episodes which is sort of like almost 2 episodes worth. I mean, it’s all relative (not a J+D pun), but maybe a silver lining. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/151 "2019-04-23T08:45:46Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > FWIW, the last 4 episodes are supposed to be roughly 25ish minutes longer than an average episode, which I think normally clock in at around 55 minutes. So that might be like 100 extra minutes over the last 4 episodes which is sort of like almost 2 episodes worth. I mean, it’s all relative (not a J+D pun), but maybe a silver lining. Here’s hoping. Thinking about this more, I think some of my impatience with the pacing is that this is the _third_ episode in a row where character reunions and loose ends were a very large part of the episode, S7E7 being the first. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/152 "2019-04-23T09:26:37Z")
If killing the Night King is the priority, would it not make sense to put more of their top tier fighters around Bran rather than or in addition to Theon? Theon’s track record is fairly poor to begin with. I understand that a lot of people liked this episode but with zero action, I found it to be boring. I realize that they did it this way in order to have the battle take up all of the next episode. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/153 "2019-04-23T13:07:03Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I’m finding that random strangers not acknowledging that a real person grows from a girl to an actual adult woman a whole lot creepier than anything that happened on the show. It’s not patriarchy. I feel it is more like a family member being surprised at how their “little girl/sister” is now all grown up, and that family member doesn’t want to “let go” of the image or memories of that “little girl”. I wonder if, in the end of the series, the Night King flees back North of the Wall, and everyone realises how this is just another one of many thousand-year cycles. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/154 "2019-04-23T13:27:03Z")
It was nice to see they got that painting of Ghost out to hang in the background… ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/155 "2019-04-23T13:32:06Z")
But here’s to the missing, some of which _might_ turn up. A lot have been forgotten Edmund Tully Red Witch Meera Reed Robyn Arryn Daario Naharis HOT PIE! Jaqen (could come in on the side of the dead) Some of these lists include the leftover sand witches/worms whatever, and the shame nun. No shame nun? That would be a… Pity? Anyone I’ve missed? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/156 "2019-04-23T13:36:08Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > I think something may come from the Tyrion Bran conversation. That particular ‘buddy moment’ was not required. If it wasn’t required then it may have consequences. Yup, totally the most important development because they gave it zero meat. The Great Brain having a sit-down with The Guy Who Knows Everything at a time when the one thing everyone needs is a good idea (because the best they can come up with is to store the most fragile members of their society in a CRYPT when they’re expecting the arrival of a guy whose specialty is raising the dead :smack: ). Nothing needed to be said, we’ll all know what went down when Tyrion starts making up for all the times he’s disappointed his queen. He’s introducing the concept of “Intel” to The Northern Muscle heads. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/157 "2019-04-23T13:45:12Z")
> [@Bootis](#): > > What’s been established is Daenerys hell bent on doing whatever it takes to get the iron throne for the past 8 years (which to her surely must feel like a lifetime compared to her first 17 years) I don’t find it a stretch for her to say she’s wanted it all her life even though it’s technically been a third of her life. There’s plenty of actual lazy writing point out , grouping in things like this is lazy critiquing 🙂 I watched again last night, and at least during the Sansa scene (I don’t know, has she specifically stated this in others, too? Probably) … but when she talks about the quest to reclaim the throne, she _doesn’t say_ that it’s all she ever wanted or has _wanted_ it all her life. She says that the mission to reclaim the throne for her family is _all she’s ever known_. Given that she did grow up with Viserys and was part of his plans and had to listen to his whining about his birthright and the usurper and whatever…yes, that’s all she’s ever known. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/158 "2019-04-23T13:58:12Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Some of these lists include the leftover sand witches/worms whatever, and the shame nun. No shame nun? That would be a… Pity? Wouldn’t the “shame nun” have been in the Great Sept during that ceremony, and therefore blown up? ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/159 "2019-04-23T14:09:29Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Wouldn’t the “shame nun” have been in the Great Sept during that ceremony, and therefore blown up? She was in Cersei’s dungeon, getting acquainted with the semi-undead Mountain, when the Great Sept exploded. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867/160 "2019-04-23T14:14:06Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > But here’s to the missing, some of which _might_ turn up. A lot have been forgotten > > Edmund Tully > Red Witch > Meera Reed > Robyn Arryn > Daario Naharis > HOT PIE! > Jaqen (could come in on the side of the dead) > > Some of these lists include the leftover sand witches/worms whatever, and the shame nun. No shame nun? That would be a… Pity? > > Anyone I’ve missed? **Edmure** Tully. I said in last week’s thread I expect him to make an appearance before the end. I expect to see Melisandre AKA the Red Witch, too. The others on your list… probably not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-02-a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-4-21-19-show-only/832867.md?page=9)