# Game of Thrones 8.03 "The Long Night" 4/28/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190 "2019-04-28T20:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/21 "2019-04-29T02:27:29Z")
The constant shots of all the main characters getting overwhelmed by the dead and absolutely nothing happening to them made the whole thing ridiculous. When the dust settles and the only people standing are all the important characters you know this isn’t the old GoT. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/22 "2019-04-29T02:27:31Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > So the deaths are: > > Jorrah, Melissandre, Theon, Leanna Mormont, Resurrection-man, Edd(?) > > Is that right or did I miss something? If resurrection man is Beric, than I think that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/23 "2019-04-29T02:27:37Z")
I don’t know who is dead because I couldn’t see shit even with bright up and lights off. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/24 "2019-04-29T02:28:27Z")
Wow…that did not go the way i thought it would so i guess in that its a surprise. They misdirected my expectations so much they actually won normally. Well…the problem with that is we go back to Throning and i was hoping to have a running battle to the end. Also they misdirected us by making us think they’d lose this whole time by ‘leaking’ that Winterfell was destroyed. So onto are they alive?: Sam, Gilly, Little Sam…and most important Jons dragon? I think Jons dragon is dead. I know a lot of you didnt like it and i can already hear the howling on the AV Club but I quite liked it. The sneaky Arya in library scene was kind of “Well this is padding”. And I actually called for NK to die this way. Just thought it would be the last ep and Arya would be a faceless ghoul. Im glad it was Arya. Makes sense since she seemed to have a destiny. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/25 "2019-04-29T02:28:40Z")
Not the best episode, IMO. But I’m glad the threat of the White Walkers is over. It just wasn’t that interesting of a storyline. Scary, but not particularly interesting compared to what Game of Thrones does best. Much more opportunity for good storytelling now that they can focus on human vs human conflicts. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/26 "2019-04-29T02:29:27Z")
So Arya is Azor Ahai now? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/27 "2019-04-29T02:29:44Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Wow…that did not go the way i thought it would so i guess in that its a surprise. They misdirected my expectations so much they actually won normally. > > Well…the problem with that is we go back to Throning and i was hoping to have a running battle to the end. Also they misdirected us by making us think they’d lose this whole time by ‘leaking’ that Winterfell was destroyed. > > So onto are they alive?: Sam, Gilly, Little Sam…and most important Jons dragon? I think Jons dragon is dead. > > I know a lot of you didnt like it and i can already hear the howling on the AV Club but I quite liked it. The sneaky Arya in library scene was kind of “Well this is padding”. And I actually called for NK to die this way. Just thought it would be the last ep and Arya would be a faceless ghoul. Im glad it was Arya. Makes sense since she seemed to have a destiny. I’m pretty Jon’s dragon (Rhaegal since I’m a GoT/ASOIAF nerd) is alive, both since he didn’t get an obvious death scene (like all the other dead characters) and because I think we saw him in the preview for the next episode. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/28 "2019-04-29T02:30:13Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > So onto are they alive?: Sam, Gilly, Little Sam…and most important Jons dragon? I think Jons dragon is dead. I don’t know wtf even happened to Jon’s dragon, one second it looked like it was winning the fight with the undead dragon and the next its crash landing. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/29 "2019-04-29T02:31:35Z")
That was … unsatisfying. I feel like they all should have been dead dozens of times over. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/30 "2019-04-29T02:35:05Z")
By the end there it was like…well theres only two ways to go. And man…had they killed everyone but say, Jon…THAT would really have been a stunner. For a few minutes I thought they really were gonna kill everyone. The “Im being overwhelmed and then saved at the last second trope” (Or, Thor arrives In Wakanda-IW spoiler not Endgame) was definitely overused. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/31 "2019-04-29T02:36:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m pretty Jon’s dragon (Rhaegal since I’m a GoT/ASOIAF nerd) is alive, both since he didn’t get an obvious death scene (like all the other dead characters) and because I think we saw him in the preview for the next episode. I think that was Drogon after he shook all the dead off. I believe Rhaegal killed the Night King’s dragon (I think the head was ripped off) and then the Night King raised Rhaegal at the end (fighting Jon Snow) at the end. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/32 "2019-04-29T02:37:12Z")
I am very tired of overly-long battles that are badly lit and confusingly shot and/or edited. Best part of Infinity War was having battles in well-light conditions. I agree with the criticisms of it being tedious and having the Night King being a load-bearing boss (not quite the right trope but I can’t think of an exact match) means the audience spends minutes just sitting there guessing who’s going to get the one-hit kill. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/33 "2019-04-29T02:37:39Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > So Arya is Azor Ahai now? Like all prophecies, Im just fine with that being a load of shit. LIke i said earlier…Im fine with people having a sort of destiny like her, and Clegane maybe… But once you start twisting prophecy to your own needs it becomes shit. all IMO of course. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/34 "2019-04-29T02:38:33Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I think that was Drogon after he shook all the dead off. I believe Rhaegal killed the Night King’s dragon (I think the head was ripped off) and then the Night King raised Rhaegal at the end (fighting Jon Snow) at the end. > > Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Drogon shook the dead off; I’m pretty sure we didn’t see Rhaegal again after he crashed and Jon was on the ground. According to my TV closed captions, the dragon Jon was fighting at the end was Viserion (the captions would say “Viserion roars”). Also, I’m almost positive I saw two dragons flying in the preview for the next episode. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/35 "2019-04-29T02:38:40Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I think that was Drogon after he shook all the dead off. I believe Rhaegal killed the Night King’s dragon (I think the head was ripped off) and then the Night King raised Rhaegal at the end (fighting Jon Snow) at the end. > > Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Eeek. Hadn’t thought of that. That sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/36 "2019-04-29T02:40:03Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Not a great episode here. They fall into the cliche where they build it up like everyone is going to die but then are miraculously saved as the (literal) last minute with deus ex Arya. There was some question whether there might have been some other way to beat them in the first half, but once the dead got over the walls and overwhelmed everyone it was obvious the only possible way to win was to take out the Night King. So that was a given. The only question was the misdirection in thinking Jon was going to do it instead of Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/37 "2019-04-29T02:40:28Z")
Dude on reddit said this: > [@](#): > > Just a hunch- NK is still alive in Bran. I swear he was helping NK throughout the episode. > > As soon as Theon mentioned the trench was lit, Bran went warg and sent the crows. The moment they reached NK he motioned and his army bypassed the trench. > > Later on, the way the editing was done, made it seem like Bran was controlling the Ice Dragon for a while. No, right? NK was going to kill Bran with that sword…so…no…right? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/38 "2019-04-29T02:40:35Z")
Only one question. Where the hell did Arya drop from? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/39 "2019-04-29T02:41:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Drogon shook the dead off; I’m pretty sure we didn’t see Rhaegal again after he crashed and Jon was on the ground. According to my TV closed captions, the dragon Jon was fighting at the end was Viserion (the captions would say “Viserion roars”). Plus, I thought the dragon looked pretty decomposed. Rhaegal would have been freshly killed if it had been him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/40 "2019-04-29T02:42:19Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Only one question. > > Where the hell did Arya drop from? [headcanon]Bran knew to sit under that one Weirwood branch that extends within reach of the window of the Winterfell tower she was in earlier. [/headcanon] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=3)