# Game of Thrones 8.03 "The Long Night" 4/28/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190 "2019-04-28T20:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/641 "2019-05-01T22:24:19Z")
Ok, to put the Waif Arya thing to the rest… we had a very significant scene in which Arya is reunited with Nymeria on the road. They both recognize each other, and yet they both realize they’re totally different people now and they’ve grown apart. This is a dramatic and thematically significant moment. And as a practical concern, it seems unlikely that a direwolf would be fooled by a disguise. There’s no way that scene takes place if Arya is the waif. The thematic point of that scene is completely nonsensical if it’s the waif as Arya. If they decided retroactively that it was actually the waif, that’s Lost-tier garbage writing where you could safely say the show went to absolute shit. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/642 "2019-05-01T22:37:01Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Ok, to put the Waif Arya thing to the rest… we had a very significant scene in which Arya is reunited with Nymeria on the road. They both recognize each other, and yet they both realize they’re totally different people now and they’ve grown apart. This is a dramatic and thematically significant moment. And as a practical concern, it seems unlikely that a direwolf would be fooled by a disguise. There’s no way that scene takes place if Arya is the waif. The thematic point of that scene is completely nonsensical if it’s the waif as Arya. If they decided retroactively that it was actually the waif, that’s Lost-tier garbage writing where you could safely say the show went to absolute shit. There’s also the fact that NostraBranus would almost certainly know if his sister had died. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/643 "2019-05-01T22:41:39Z")
[Actual footage of the writers after Episode 3](https://old.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bjjjjj/actual_footage_of_the_writers_after_episode_3/) (humor) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/644 "2019-05-01T22:52:29Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > [Actual footage of the writers after Episode 3](https://old.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bjjjjj/actual_footage_of_the_writers_after_episode_3/) (humor) In case anyone is wondering, the Spanish dialogue has nothing to do with Game of Thrones. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/645 "2019-05-01T23:10:51Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > I liked the episode and didn’t really have a problem following the action on screen. Maybe my friend just has an awesome TV. I have an LG 70" 4K TV, that is carefully calibrated and looks awesome for everything else (including other HBO content). I watched in a completely dark room. It was still way too dark and incomprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/646 "2019-05-01T23:29:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I clearly want something different out of the show than you do, because I sincerely hope we are done with the NK and the WW, other than at most a couple minutes of debriefing. “Debriefing” is kinda what I meant. Clarification, through dialogue or a Bran vision, what the White Walkers’ motivations were. Maybe with a twist that retroactively changes how we see them in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/647 "2019-05-01T23:31:27Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > “Debriefing” is kinda what I meant. Clarification, through dialogue or a Bran vision, what the White Walkers’ motivations were. Maybe with a twist that retroactively changes how we see them in some way. I fear that’s not going to happen unless GRRM wrote the next few episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/648 "2019-05-01T23:59:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I clearly want something different out of the show than you do, because I sincerely hope we are done with the NK and the WW, other than at most a couple minutes of debriefing. If you do not like the WWs and company that’s up to you but they were in the very first moments of the very first episode. They have been an integral part of the show since Day #1. To be done with them so quickly seems a disservice to the show. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/649 "2019-05-02T00:23:25Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’ve been reading recaps and discussion of the episode on various sites and the website for Cosmopolitan magazine (of all places) pointed out that Jon Snow seemed to be helping Arya by distracting the wight dragon as she was approaching the Night King. The point seemed to be that he wasn’t completely useless in defeating the Night King, even if he didn’t deliver the killing blow. I’ve read that he was yelling “GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!” to Arya when he was inexplicably yelling right in the face of an ice-fire breathing dragon. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/650 "2019-05-02T00:46:32Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’ve read that he was yelling “GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!” to Arya when he was inexplicably yelling right in the face of an ice-fire breathing dragon. I read that, for a few seconds at least, Jon thought he killed a dragon by yelling very loudly in its face. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/651 "2019-05-02T00:56:13Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > In case anyone is wondering, the Spanish dialogue has nothing to do with Game of Thrones. I’m a native Spanish speaker and I understood like three words of what he was actually saying. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/652 "2019-05-02T00:57:17Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If you do not like the WWs and company that’s up to you but they were in the very first moments of the very first episode. They have been an integral part of the show since Day #1. They have been part of the show from the first episode, yes. An “integral” part? I don’t know about that. :dubious: I could list you a vast number of plot developments over the past eight years that had zilch to do with them. There were many episodes in which they didn’t appear at all; many others in which they appeared briefly to sort of indicate “yup, we’re still marching south”. Only a few episodes, like “Hardhome” and the ill-begotten excursion beyond the Wall that culminated in Gendry’s marathon run, really focused on them. Which is good, because I would have been bored to tears by the show long ago and tuned out if they were the main focus. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/653 "2019-05-02T01:08:34Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They have been part of the show from the first episode, yes. An “integral” part? I don’t know about that. :dubious: > > I could list you a vast number of plot developments over the past eight years that had zilch to do with them. There were many episodes in which they didn’t appear at all; many others in which they appeared briefly to sort of indicate “yup, we’re still marching south”. Only a few episodes, like “Hardhome” and the ill-begotten excursion beyond the Wall that culminated in Gendry’s marathon run, really focused on them. Which is good, because I would have been bored to tears by the show long ago and tuned out if they were the main focus. If i had to summarize the plot of GoT it would be “the seven kingdoms destroy themselves while ignoring the looming threat of the white walkers”. The fact that they are being ignored while everyone fucks around fighting each other is kind of the important part. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/654 "2019-05-02T01:23:20Z")
It doesn’t look like the writers agree, since the white walkers will be (mercifully, IMO) absent for the final three episodes of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/655 "2019-05-02T01:23:44Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > If i had to summarize the plot of GoT it would be “the seven kingdoms destroy themselves while ignoring the looming threat of the white walkers”. The fact that they are being ignored while everyone fucks around fighting each other is kind of the important part. Is taking 8 years to arrive a “looming threat”? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/656 "2019-05-02T01:30:30Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I could list you a vast number of plot developments over the past eight years that had zilch to do with them. There were many episodes in which they didn’t appear at all; many others in which they appeared briefly to sort of indicate “yup, we’re still marching south”. Only a few episodes, like “Hardhome” and the ill-begotten excursion beyond the Wall that culminated in Gendry’s marathon run, really focused on them. Which is good, because I would have been bored to tears by the show long ago and tuned out if they were the main focus. The point is they were always there and always a part of the plot. And not an unimportant one at all since even when off screen they motivated the main characters in various ways. Hell, the whole Castle Black stuff was there because there was a wall because there were White Walkers. Craster? The Wildlings? Bran and the Three-Eyed-Raven? Children of the Forrest? All part of that narrative. They may not have gotten the screen time because, at least in part, they have no lines. That did not make them superfluous to the narrative. They were integral to the story arc whether you like them or not. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/657 "2019-05-02T01:37:55Z")
Uh, does Dany have one or two dragons left? I thought the one Jon was on died. No? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/658 "2019-05-02T01:44:20Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Uh, does Dany have one or two dragons left? I thought the one Jon was on died. No? Jon’s dragon (Rhaegal) is alive (we see him in the preview for next week IIRC). Drogon got beat up pretty good but he’s still in the action. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/659 "2019-05-02T02:05:28Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I’m a native Spanish speaker and I understood like three words of what he was actually saying. Glad to hear that. I couldn’t make much out either. But it sure must have been hilarious.😃 Once I saw that I was sure there had to be a Hitler Rant about the episode. [And here it is.](https://www.captiongenerator.com/1373722/Hitler-reacts-to-Game-of-Thrones-episode-3) [And here’s another.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKoq1taY_VY) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/660 "2019-05-02T02:09:23Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Glad to hear that. I couldn’t make much out either. But it sure must have been hilarious.😃 If you are interested here is the original with subtitles: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgzdb0txR\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgzdb0txR_c) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=34)