# Game of Thrones 8.03 "The Long Night" 4/28/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190 "2019-04-28T20:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/701 "2019-05-02T13:26:35Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > He made Theon feel good after Theon spent a few seasons in misery so there is that. Bah, that was a thinly veiled goad, and a total dick move on Bran’s part. “You’re a good man.” = “You’ve almost atoned, you’re doing great, just one more thing you need to do…” ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/702 "2019-05-02T13:58:48Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > That’s a question I have. Has it really been established that Daenerys is completely immune to fire? We’ve seen her resist fire twice under extraordinary magical circumstances but has she ever picked up a hot coal or lit a cigar with her burning finger? Has it even been hinted at that all Targaryen’s are immune to fire? I think it’s clear that all Targaryens are _not_ immune to fire. Viserys died by having molten metal poured on his head. It’s not fire, but Dany is shown being unharmed by similar non-fire-based heat. While the first time Dany was unburnt, powerful blood magic might have been the cause of that, rather than magical genetics, the second time in the Dosh Khaleen was just an “I’m going to burn this place down and laugh among the flames while the rest of you die” situation. The only explanation is that she’s fireproof, and furthermore _knows_ she’s fireproof. Also, I’m pretty sure the showrunners explicitly said she was fireproof during one of their “after the show” segments. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/703 "2019-05-02T14:00:45Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Bah, that was a thinly veiled goad, and a total dick move on Bran’s part. “You’re a good man.” = “You’ve almost atoned, you’re doing great, just one more thing you need to do…” He still died too easy. I wanted Ghost to rip out his neck and feast on his entrails as revenge for Theon’s dick move in Episode 1. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/704 "2019-05-02T14:04:36Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > He still died too easy. I wanted Ghost to rip out his neck and feast on his entrails as revenge for Theon’s dick move in Episode 1. I can’t recall what he did in Episode 1. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/705 "2019-05-02T14:07:25Z")
In any case, Theon’s dick ended up moving to another time zone without him. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/706 "2019-05-02T14:13:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I kinda got an inkling Jon was ice-immune a few episodes back when he fell below the surface of a frozen lake and (I forget how) shrugged it off and kept going. Benjen Stark pulled him out, gave him his horse then “died” getting mobb3ed by wights so Jon could make his escape. How Jon avoided hypothermia is either Jon is immune to the cold or plot armor. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/707 "2019-05-02T14:30:19Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I can’t recall what he did in Episode 1. Volunteered to kill all the dire wolf pups until Jon convinced Headless Ned they were a sign. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/708 "2019-05-02T14:52:52Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Volunteered to kill all the dire wolf pups until Jon convinced Headless Ned they were a sign. I don’t think volunteering to do something in theory that was rejected minutes later and never recurred is proportionately answered by having one’s neck ripped out. He actually did far worse things not in theory. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/709 "2019-05-02T15:15:18Z")
And he paid for those by getting his dick cut off. But he never paid for threatening the pups. Some things are just truly **unforgivable**. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/710 "2019-05-02T15:27:15Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [Jaqen: The Red God takes what is his, lovely girl. And only death may pay for life. You saved me and the two I was with. You stole three deaths from the Red God. We have to give them back.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxmOYERWQJk) (1:40)… Thanks for that link! Always good to be reminded of what a badass Jaqen was/is. The actor was perfect for that role. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yes, you speak a kernel of truth, a germ of an idea. The Bran is whole, now. Knows everything _and_ is good for colon health! > [@SlackerInc](#): > > …it did look awesome when [the dragons] were up above the clouds in the moonlight. Yes. Reminded me of the Batwing soaring above the nighttime clouds in the first _Batman_ movie. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > …That is just a mess. That’s not good storytelling. If you ever rewatch the series, you can discard half the damn story that involved the Night’s Watch and Bran and Jon Snow and the Night King because it never really amounted to anything. I have to disagree. For me it’s not so much about destination as the journey. All of the characters’ experiences, even the blind alleys and the events which led to nothing else, helped make them who they became. And not everything IRL is of mythic significance, either. Sometimes what happened to you two weeks, two months or two years ago is utterly unimportant. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Nothing I’ve seen on the show has shown them to be any more magical, badass, or intelligent than a regular wolf or even a large dog. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > IIRC Bran’s wolf sensed that he was in danger when the catspaw tried to knife him in season 1 and saved his life. Robb’s direwolf also sensed the bad craziness of the Red Wedding despite being penned up. > [@Riemann](#): > > …Early in S7, after “Walter Frey” peeling off his face to reveal that he’s Arya, it would have been a superb mindfuck to have a subsequent reveal where “Arya” peels off her face to reveal the waif. Y’know, I could really go for that! That would be a pretty cool twist. > [@clairobscur](#): > > …Your husband might be mixing up the books and the show. Ahem. There are no books. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/711 "2019-05-02T15:50:12Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > My feeling when watching was he had no where to go and knew he was going to die. He yelled in useless defiance while facing his death. That was exactly 100% my take on the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/712 "2019-05-02T16:06:21Z")
Throwing out theories… Has anyone noticed that GoT is an allegory of our current world? What is everybody in the U.S. talking about and watching news coverage of 24 hours a day? The upcoming presidential election. It’s no different in other countries, with them obsessed with their local politics. Sure, that’s important and vitally so. But we are actually facing an existential threat to the human race: climate change and global warming. Nothing we do can be more important than having everybody get together and fight what is effectively “Death.” Yet most people are apathetic when not downright scornful and antagonistic until the reality slaps them in the face. Will all the nations get together and fight for survival? Not until some charismatic leader steps up and binds them together. That’s where the analogy breaks down. Unfortunately, there is no one convenient kill point that will end the climate menace. That’s why fantasy is fantasy, and will always be looked down upon. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/713 "2019-05-02T16:10:58Z")
And to carry the analogy full well, then climate change will be easily reversed sometime around mid-2020 without too much fuss, so that now whoever has the best claim to have solved climate change has a leg up in the true battle, the 2020 US election. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/714 "2019-05-02T16:17:55Z")
There were two decent scenes in the whole episode. The fight between little Lady Mormont and zombie Wun Wun. And the moment shared between Sansa and Tyrion. Plus some mildly interesting visuals. The Dothraki charge (another ridiculous tactical move standard for GoT) and the wights coming over the wall for example. Any scene with dragons being notably absent from this list. The rest was trope galore. Arya can not only change faces now but fly too! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/715 "2019-05-02T16:31:55Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Throwing out theories… > > Has anyone noticed that GoT is an allegory of our current world? I noticed the allegory as well. And yes, as you point out, the real-world equivalent of climate change doesn’t have some magical fix. But yes, people are like Cersei and more interested in gaining and acquiring power than they are in dealing with the existential threat. ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/716 "2019-05-02T16:48:52Z")
Emilia Clarke said on Jimmy Kimmel that episode 5 will be more epic than this last one… It sounds spoilery imo but disapointing imo that that battle will be bigger than the one against the dead… to note that the director is the same guy so I dont know what to think of that. Mod Note: Edited to spoiler information from an interview. Colibri ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/717 "2019-05-02T16:51:31Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > It sounds spoilery imo Sounds kinda spoilery so you thought you’d come and post it in the non-spoiler thread!? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/718 "2019-05-02T17:17:12Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > Emilia Clarke said on Jimmy Kimmel that episode 5 will be more epic than this last one… It sounds spoilery imo but disapointing imo that that battle will be bigger than the one against the dead… to note that the director is the same guy so I dont know what to think of that. Hopefully it won’t be entirely at night. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/719 "2019-05-02T18:05:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hopefully it won’t be entirely at night. This one will be at night and under water. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/720 "2019-05-02T18:10:29Z")
I don’t know, we already did the “one of our protagonists is sinking deep in water with no way to escape but is miraculously fine next week with no explanation” scene last year. I think we need something new. Maybe drop our protagonists off a 5000 foot cliff, with no chance of anything but going splat, only to find them just fine for no apparent reason two scenes later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=37)