# Game of Thrones 8.03 "The Long Night" 4/28/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190 "2019-04-28T20:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/741 "2019-05-02T20:07:24Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Could be but I thought the scene strongly suggested it was Wun Wun to elicit an emotional response, and it kind of worked for me. > > It’s not explicitly told and that’s fine. If indeed Wun Wun was shot through the one good eye the zombie had I would tend to believe that’s a mistake by the show producers. See #734 I read somewhere that 1) the producers didn’t _mean_ for it to be Wun Wun, but they did use the same actor. Well balls. How they gonna use the same actor and not intend for everyone to assume it’s the same character? That shit wouldn’t fly if they cast Arya, Sansa, & Bronn with the same actor and just expected us to know they are three different characters. Totally flickin’ zombie Wun Wun. Further discussion is poo. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/742 "2019-05-02T20:08:39Z")
Also: I’m totally stealing at least two **Bryan Ekers** puns in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/743 "2019-05-02T20:13:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Whoops. I was misled by something posted elsewhere. It’s the same eye. Ramsay shot Wun Wun in the [right eye,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QACt2jqXRKU), which is [the one missing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9cjvkFrFs) in the giant that attacks Lyanna. She stabs him in the remaining eye. Poor Wun Wun. You’ll always be remembered. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/744 "2019-05-02T20:14:30Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > See #734 > > I read somewhere that 1) the producers didn’t _mean_ for it to be Wun Wun, but they did use the same actor. Well balls. How they gonna use the same actor and not intend for everyone to assume it’s the same character? It’s because there is a scarcity of giants in the Screen Actors Guild. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/745 "2019-05-02T20:30:55Z")
I’m going to say that unless there was some clear communication to the audience that we were supposed to recognize em as Wun Wun, then it wasn’t Wun Wun. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/746 "2019-05-02T20:37:42Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > How they gonna use the same actor and not intend for everyone to assume it’s the same character? That actor, [Ian Whyte](https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Ian_Whyte), has played White Walkers, The Mountain in season 2, Dongo the Giant in seasons 3 and 4, and Wun Wun in seasons 5 and 6, as well as the unnamed “giant wight” this season. I don’t think they are all intended to be the “same character.” His main qualification for playing these characters is that he’s frikkin huge (7’5"). ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/747 "2019-05-02T20:46:13Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > …as well as the unnamed “giant wight” this season. I think you mean Wun Wun the wight ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/748 "2019-05-02T20:49:12Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > I read somewhere that 1) the producers didn’t _mean_ for it to be Wun Wun, but they did use the same actor. Well balls. How they gonna use the same actor and not intend for everyone to assume it’s the same character? That shit wouldn’t fly if they cast Arya, Sansa, & Bronn with the same actor and just expected us to know they are three different characters. > > Totally flickin’ zombie Wun Wun. Further discussion is poo. The producers said the giant in Bran’s vision from episode 1 of this season was not necessarily Wun Wun. That giant was missing an eye, but it was the wrong one. **This** giant was missing the correct eye, which seems like a detail they wouldn’t add unless they wanted it to be Wun Wun. I’m convinced, and I won’t stand idly by while everyone trashes the memory of dear Wun Wun by pretending it wasn’t him. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/749 "2019-05-02T21:03:17Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > I think you mean Wun Wun the wight Actually, in this episode he’s credited as [Giant Wight #1,](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6027912/characters/nm1613839?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t26) which is odd since I don’t recall other giant wights. However, given that the same eye is missing I agree that it’s supposed to be Wun Wun, even if his body should have been burned after the Battle of the Bastards. Maybe they didn’t have enough charcoal briquets. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/750 "2019-05-02T21:07:00Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > However, given that the same eye is missing I agree that it’s supposed to be Wun Wun, even if his body should have been burned after the Battle of the Bastards. Maybe they didn’t have enough charcoal briquets. And Sansa was worried how they’d feed everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/751 "2019-05-03T01:59:49Z")
I have now seen the episode twice more, this time making sure I got it in full 1080p resolution and dimming the lights more in my house. 1. I was wrong. This episode is amazing. Fully amazing and I now admire what they did here. 2. It is lit properly. I must have had a non-hd level stream coming through before. I also got it straight on my tv instead of through a chromebook via HDMI cable. So, I was wrong. The episode is amazing and a lot easier to see with proper resolution. I still think Arya’s coming out of nowhere was only OK. I would have preferred to have a bigger fight in the end with the NK. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/752 "2019-05-03T03:04:43Z")
I have a well calibrated 4K LG, Apple TV 4K, dark room. Everything else looks great on it. I tried it again in the middle of the night when demand is low. No better for me (although the extinguished Dothraki and dragons in the moonlight looked awesome both times). In terms of tactics: has anyone mentioned the apparent total lack of plans to make sure fallen troops get burned to make sure they at least don’t bolster the enemy forces? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/753 "2019-05-03T03:11:43Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > In terms of tactics: has anyone mentioned the apparent total lack of plans to make sure fallen troops get burned to make sure they at least don’t bolster the enemy forces? How would that be accomplished on the field of battle? “Time out, we have to burn some bodies!” ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/754 "2019-05-03T04:40:10Z")
You would have to plan and train for it. Have everyone rigged up with flammable gear of some kind, for instance. Make some kind of flamethrower (also good against the walkers). Tyrion managed to burn a bunch of enemy ships at sea; this seems like less of a lift, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/755 "2019-05-03T04:48:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Have everyone rigged up with flammable gear of some kind, for instance. Given that one line of your defense is a flaming trench, and since the battle is at night you need torches everywhere, this seems like an excellent way to set your own troops on fire while they are still alive. > [@](#): > > Tyrion managed to burn a bunch of enemy ships at sea; this seems like less of a lift, honestly. Rather a different problem, since his ships weren’t mixed together with the enemy fleet. Burning your dead without burning your surviving troops along with them would only be feasible if there are large areas of the battlefield where all your troops have already been killed. And if that happens, you’re pretty much fucked anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/756 "2019-05-03T05:29:28Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Actually, in this episode he’s credited as [Giant Wight #1,](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6027912/characters/nm1613839?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t26) which is odd since I don’t recall other giant wights. > > However, given that the same eye is missing I agree that it’s supposed to be Wun Wun, even if his body should have been burned after the Battle of the Bastards. Maybe they didn’t have enough charcoal briquets. Can a giant wight be melted down and reforged into a new giant wight? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/757 "2019-05-03T06:02:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Burning your dead without burning your surviving troops along with them would only be feasible if there are large areas of the battlefield where all your troops have already been killed. Like where Jon was standing when the NK did his “RISE!” gesture? ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/758 "2019-05-03T06:58:42Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Can a giant wight be melted down and reforged into a new giant wight? I witnessed the blacksmiths of Qohor attempting it, but when their magic incantation turned out to be: You spin me wight Wun, baby wight Wun, like a wecord, baby wight Wun, Wun Wun it became clear they were trying to pull a fast one. Dead or Alive indeed… ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/759 "2019-05-03T07:35:39Z")
If there were two giants in the story, I guess we should call them Wun Wun One and Wun Wun Two. They look similar because of the eyes. Wun Wun One lost one, Wun Wun Two lost one too. And they both died in the end, but what were their earlier battle results? Wun Wun One won one, Wun Wun Two won one too. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/760 "2019-05-03T07:46:59Z")
Riemann, very clever! > [@clairobscur](#): > > I didn’t expect the wights to have complex motivations, but that the walkers and the Night King would. And of course the humans opposing them too. > > You could imagine any number of stories and dramas taking place during the advance of the undead towards the south. But wasn’t it already way too late for any of that by the time this episode aired? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=39)