# Game of Thrones 8.03 "The Long Night" 4/28/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190 "2019-04-28T20:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/761 "2019-05-03T12:44:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Like where Jon was standing when the NK did his “RISE!” gesture? How were Team Alive supposed to burn these guys when they were all dead? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/762 "2019-05-03T13:56:50Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Like where Jon was standing when the NK did his “RISE!” gesture? You mean, so Jon could have been surrounded by piles of burning corpses instead, while he was also wearing highly inflammable clothes?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/763 "2019-05-03T14:26:29Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Great analysis in that artlicle, but it was already linked to upthread [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21617175#post21617175). > > Both of your “spoilers” from the article were [already noted upthread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21617442#post21617442) as well. 😉 Heh. Fast moving thread smdh ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/764 "2019-05-03T14:30:37Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Can a giant wight be melted down and reforged into a new giant wight? Sure, you’ve got all the necessary material. … all the wight stuff… ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/765 "2019-05-03T15:21:31Z")
Clarke said on TV the other day episode 5 is going to be very big so I assume that’s the battle vs. Cersei and friends. Moderating. Edited to spoiler non-show information from an interview. Please spoiler anything from outside information. Colibri ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/766 "2019-05-03T15:49:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Sure, you’ve got all the necessary material. > > … all the wight stuff… You could win the “Worst jokes of all time” thread with this one 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/767 "2019-05-03T15:54:56Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > And Sansa was worried how they’d feed everyone. I remember seeing that and thinking, “Yeah, that’s a problem!” and then being a little irritated how the issue was blown off. I’m only now just getting it–it was an overly-optimistic point for her to make, considering long term survival by that point hardly depended on the food supply. I’m slow. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/768 "2019-05-03T16:07:12Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > I remember seeing that and thinking, “Yeah, that’s a problem!” and then being a little irritated how the issue was blown off. > > I’m only now just getting it–it was an overly-optimistic point for her to make, considering long term survival by that point hardly depended on the food supply. I’m slow. Not sure that’s right. 1. They didn’t know exactly when the dead were going to arrive and, given that their battle plan involved a) standing in the cold for hours followed by b) manically high intensity running and fighting, even a couple of days of half-rations are going to make a difference to people’s ability to ward off that 100th wight. If the NK had taken a week longer to reach KL the Dothraki would have been eating their horses.\* 2. Having a plan for what happens after you win is usually a good idea. They already knew that their victory would leave them with shit to do re KL and Cersei. Armies march on their stomachs and it’s not at all optimistic for Sansa to be worried about the food/stomach ratio. The point was ignored because it had to be. They don’t have access to more food. But just because you can’t solve a problem doesn’t mean you shouldn’t note its existence. \*Admittedly, that would have increased their lifespan, in that it takes longer to run to a pointless death than it does to charge at it on horseback, but still. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/769 "2019-05-03T16:31:59Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Kidding aside, I think Farley is correct that conjuring the snowstorm was a strategic mistake on the Night King’s part.Read the whole thing, it’s fun. I’ll spoiler the key part of the wrap-up analysis: We don’t know if regular walkers have anti-dragon capabilities. We only know that the Night King does. If they don’t, then preventing a draconic attack on such valuable strategic assets by conjuring a storm was entirely justified. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/770 "2019-05-03T16:51:08Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > We don’t know if regular walkers have anti-dragon capabilities. We only know that the Night King does. If they don’t, then preventing a draconic attack on such valuable strategic assets by conjuring a storm was entirely justified. Given that the rest of them are [all armed with exactly the same kind of ice-spear](https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/white-walkers.png?w=512&h=275) used to bring down Viserion, I think it’s a reasonable inference that they do. (We don’t have to be informed of every single detail to draw inferences based on what they show us.) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/771 "2019-05-03T18:41:49Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > [Arya’s attack on the NK] wasn’t quite out of left field as it seemed at the time. As **Stanislaus** notes, we’ve seen her being trained as an assassin for several seasons. Within the episode, Melisandra’s meaningful pause before “…and blue eyes” was a clear message of what Arya had to do, although I didn’t catch it until after the fact. Bran made a show of giving her the dagger last season, at which point some fans [guessed at its purpose](https://www.nme.com/blogs/tv-blogs/game-thrones-bran-dagger-arya-littlefinger-assassin-2121884). There was the duel between Arya and Brienne last season where Arya showed off her hand-switch trick. And in the first episode of this season, Jon says “how’d you sneak up on me?” when she suddenly appears behind him in the Godswood, the same place she’ll sneak up on the Night King… All good points. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > …here’s a scene that would have solved a lot of problems with this story. We complained that Tyrion was useless, that the Three Eyed Raven was useless, and that the ending was too much of a Deux Ex-Arya. Well, how about this… Nice scenario! > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > That’s what you get when you let an assassin grow on guild hand-outs and then power level with a high level unspecialized fighter. So hard to set up challenging campaigns when you have no practical experience with how that character will play when you give her a +3 Holy Avenger dagger and the dice actually come out. Game is over before the root beer is even warm. Fortunately, there are still plenty of pretzels. > [@Colibri](#): > > …I was sure there had to be a Hitler Rant about the episode. [And here it is.](https://www.captiongenerator.com/1373722/Hitler-reacts-to-Game-of-Thrones-episode-3) > > [And here’s another.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKoq1taY_VY) Ha! Thanks for those. > [@Loach](#): > > My feeling when watching was he had no where to go and knew he was going to die. He yelled in useless defiance while facing his death… Agreed. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hopefully it won’t be entirely at night. > [@Loach](#): > > This one will be at night and under water. During a major algae bloom. > [@Slash1972](#): > > It’s because there is a scarcity of giants in the Screen Actors Guild. Well, obviously, they’re all in the NBA now. ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/772 "2019-05-03T19:49:24Z")
I was disappointed that after the NK rose the freshly dead, that nobody had the horror of cutting down their reanimated friend. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/773 "2019-05-03T20:09:44Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > I was disappointed that after the NK rose the freshly dead, that nobody had the horror of cutting down their reanimated friend. Agreed. The timeline would have to be rejiggered, but I’d have liked to have seen zombie Jorah go after Daenerys. Or a blue-eyed Edd confronting Jon. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/774 "2019-05-03T20:26:21Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > I was disappointed that after the NK rose the freshly dead, that nobody had the horror of cutting down their reanimated friend. The little bear was up and ready to rock. That would have been the best. Who’d be willing to chop up a heroic little girl? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/775 "2019-05-03T20:30:52Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Agreed. The timeline would have to be rejiggered, but I’d have liked to have seen zombie Jorah go after Daenerys. Or a blue-eyed Edd confronting Jon. How they missed the chance to have dead Catelyn Stark face Sansa is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/776 "2019-05-03T20:34:18Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How they missed the chance to have dead Catelyn Stark face Sansa is beyond me. That would have been great. Or Robb facing any of the Starks–he has a wolf head now. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/777 "2019-05-03T22:15:07Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Given that one line of your defense is a flaming trench, and since the battle is at night you need torches everywhere, this seems like an excellent way to set your own troops on fire while they are still alive… This is to prevent their later reanimation? Why not stick everyone with a dragon glass splinter? Can anyone explain how Arya with her powers, can’t simply infiltrate KL, kill Cersei, take her face, and end this thing? What limits does she have, given the evidence of the past episode, never mind nearly entirely wiping out the Freys? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/778 "2019-05-03T22:46:47Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > This is to prevent their later reanimation? Why not stick everyone with a dragon glass splinter? Actually, that might not be a bad idea if just the touch of dragonglass will kill a wight. There would be plenty of small shards around that wouldn’t be any good for weapons but you could slip under the skin. Too bad you weren’t there.😉 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/779 "2019-05-03T22:52:44Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > This is to prevent their later reanimation? Why not stick everyone with a dragon glass splinter? > > Can anyone explain how Arya with her powers, can’t simply infiltrate KL, kill Cersei, take her face, and end this thing? What limits does she have, given the evidence of the past episode, never mind nearly entirely wiping out the Freys? These are both good ideas! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190/780 "2019-05-03T23:21:33Z")
So far I don’t know why they are hiding the episode names, they are not spoilery in any way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-03-the-long-night-4-28-19-show-discussion/833190.md?page=40)