# Game of Thrones 8.04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/2019 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524 "2019-05-05T20:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/221 "2019-05-06T19:33:17Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Didn’t Jaime renounce any claims at some point? I’m pretty sure he did; he was the chief of the King’s Guard, and I think that carried with it a renouncement of any birthright. I gotta say, the ridiculous tactical errors that continue to be made are really pulling me out of this story. I can ignore minor things, but huge glaring mistakes made time and time again by folks who ought to know better … it’s really bothering me. The misuse of siege engines, the lack of scouting, the way an army’s most valuable assets are frittered away due to negligence or stupidity, the inability to learn and adapt … all these are frustratingly evident. Someone else said it’s approaching _Walking Dead_-levels of dumb tactics, and I agree. That kind of stuff is what made me stop watching that show. And Tyrion has gone from a schemer and strategist of the highest level, to a caricature of himself, almost Jon-like in his inability to predict what his adversaries will do. This show ought to be sprinting toward a massive crescendo, an ending that would be a cultural touchpoint and resonate within the fantasy and non-fantasy genres alike. Instead it seems to be slouching toward King’s Landing, a television sports car that’s running out of gas and sputtering even as the finish line comes in sight. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/222 "2019-05-06T19:33:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The real issue is not how many people actually know, but who Tyrion was thinking of when he said eight people know, and what that means. Sansa would have told him that she, Jon, Bran, and Arya knew, and when he asked how they knew would have also mentioned Sam as well as Bran. Tyrion told Varys, so that’s seven. Whether or not Danaerys knows is extremely significant, while whether or not Gilly knows is totally irrelevant. If Tyrion was counting Gilly among the eight, then he thinks Danaerys doesn’t know, and that would surely have come into play in his conversation with Varys. Well the reason I wasn’t sure that they knew that Dany knew is because they never discussed what Dany may do to Jon, and I’d think they may have thought about that. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/223 "2019-05-06T19:39:17Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Something that occurred to me last night is the array of funeral pyres at the opening of the episode must have consumed most of a forest. It’s almost a big “fuck you” to the Children of the Forest. And see, I was thinking “Look at them waste all that perfectly good dragon food”. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/224 "2019-05-06T19:44:21Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Winterfell may be a cold and brutal place, [but at least it has a Starbucks.](https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/game-of-thrones-starbucks-coffee-cup.jpg) Speaking of continuity, the Tarth people heal remarkably well after being mauled by bears. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/225 "2019-05-06T20:03:13Z")
Is it actually possible that they will… have Dany go “mad Queen” and become a crazy vengeance-fueled maniac? She insists they attack the city, killing all the innocents along the way, like a total wipeout type thing. Jon Snow realizes this is insane and agrees to take her out, something Tyrion and Varys are clearly thinking might be necessary. Cue dramatic scene: Jon tells Dany she must stop and turn back. “You’re tearing me apart, Dany!” or something like that. She doesn’t care. John has to kill Dany in order to stop her from wiping out a bunch of innocents. Someone else kills Cercei and her hand(and Euron or whatever his name is). John is clearly the one to become king. But…he turns it down! “I never wanted it! I won’t take it.” He heads to the far North, leaving Westeros. Tyrion or Sansa becomes king/queen, though I think Tyrion is more likely since Sansa has betrayed John. OK, so I made all that up, but it requires them to totally ruin Dany, a character they spent the entire show building up to be good(and sane!). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/226 "2019-05-06T20:06:57Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Winterfell may be a cold and brutal place, [but at least it has a Starbucks.](https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/game-of-thrones-starbucks-coffee-cup.jpg) Do we have a time stamp for when that appeared? I want to see it. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/227 "2019-05-06T20:12:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Is it actually possible that they will… > have Dany go “mad Queen” and become a crazy vengeance-fueled maniac? She insists they attack the city, killing all the innocents along the way, like a total wipeout type thing. Jon Snow realizes this is insane and agrees to take her out, something Tyrion and Varys are clearly thinking might be necessary. I don’t think so. I think that she’ll be sorely tempted to do the wrong thing but will refuse. “I’m not my father!” In fact, I think that their next attack will surprising and will show great planning. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/228 "2019-05-06T20:14:30Z")
As soon as they did to set up shot of the dragons flying I immediately saw him getting hit with bolts. It played out exactly the way my mind thought it would. The only difference is I thought Dragonstone would be occupied and the shots would come from land and not ships. > [@adaher](#): > > Because the dragons tend to hover there and cut loose with flame for like 30 seconds rather than fire and flee. We have seen them hover and shoot and do running fire. There is no need to speculate the show has shown that both are possible. > [@Colibri](#): > > So the odds can be evened for dramatic purposes.🙂 Except for this of course. > [@AK84](#): > > Gilly knows. She was the first one to find out. > > Rhaegon was hit by two or three. The whole bloody fleet was shooting at him, from multiple angles. Which is basically how AAA worked. Mass of shot. Dozens or even hundreds were expended. > Dany needs to see and identify the enemy fleet as hostile. Not so simple. In WW2, it was not unusual for patrol a/c to miss ship formations, despite flying real close. And these are people who were activley looking and were trained and or experienced. See Battle of Capa Matapan, (when Italian A/C lost sight of the RN battle fleet, which then ripped apart Regia Marina cruisers) or the April 1942 Indian Ocean battles (when bith the RN and RAF off Sri Lanka and the Japanese Combined fleet were unable to find each other for long). > As for the anti ship operation, meh. Its a transport vessel, in a world without gunpowder. Ships of the line were oak castles, with thick hulls, no reason these ship would be. > > I have money on him being Cercei’s dead son with Robert. Euron’s ships have those giant Kraken sails. Not hard to spot at that height. I would spend all my money betting against you. Gendry is what he is. His story won’t change any further. Still an outside chance he’ll get on the throne. Zero chance he’s Cersei’s son. > [@Quimby](#): > > I have a heard a theory that the creators kind of forgot Ghost existed and have added his stuff after the fact. This episode mad me think that might be true. The “goodbye” to Ghost was very lame from an emotional standpoint. Not much of a spoiler but I’ll box it because it comes from an interview. I saw an interview with the producers who basically said that it’s no problem to CGI the Dragon because no one has ever seen a real dragon. They can fully your brain into making it look realistic. When you CGI a giant dog it looks like a cartoon dog. They didn’t forget about any of them. They made the conscious choice to minimize their roles as much as possible. I’m sure the little bit that they put ghost in was fan service to all of the complaints but they certainly don’t want to use him anymore. > [@RickJay](#): > > I didn’t like this episode all that much, and find a lot of aspects of it puzzling. > > 1. The distances and times start to make very little sense, in part because so much has to happen so quickly. How long are they saying it’s gonna take for Jon and the army to get to King’s Landing? That’s a LONG way - Wsteros is a continent, not an island. 2500-2800 kilometres, according to most estimates. Realistically, it takes three months to march an army that far, assuming consistent supply and no one trying to stop them. > > 2. So, uh, why did Cersei not just kill Daenerys, Tyrion, et al. when they were standing there in plain view of ballista and archer fire? We saw the ballistas blow ships apart much further away than that. Seriously, she had the war won right there. The crown was in her hand and she just didn’t take it? What the fuck? If your fanwank is that Westeros has some ultra-not-to-be-broken rule about killing an envoy, why’ve we never heard of the importance of that rule before, especially when Cersei, the most evil person competing for the throne, can win everything by breaking it? That was an ATROCIOUS scene, one that seemed to serve no purpose except to give torture porn fans something to watch when Missandei got killed. Her own father broke a rule that actually has been mentioned before, and shrugged it off by quite reasonably pointing out that war is a bitch and anyway it probably saved lives. > > Instead, she murders Missandei - a move that serves no purpose and if anything is to her disadvantage. Missandei is emotionally important to Daenerys and Grey Worm, but her murder serves no strategic benefit to Cersei and if anything just means she is short a useful hostage. > > 1. So how did they spell Daenerys’s name on her double latte? > > Donairis > Danneres > Dennis > Debbie > Dorcas > > 1. Seeing Brienne reduced to a blubbering mess in her housecoat over a man leaving just did not seem like a dignified scene for that character. > The parts of the episode I liked were basically all the obvious tension between the major players. There really is no resolution between the objectives of Daenerys and Sansa; Daenerys insists the North be a part of her kingdom, and Sansa insists it not, and they’re only allies as long as someone more dangerous exists. It is, frankly, extremely unlikely that the other kingdoms/regions will be all that enthusiastic about Queen Daenerys I once the loathsome Cersei is gone. > > Anything could happen but it seems to me we’ve got three major possibilities: > > 1. Jon dies or retreats to Winterfell or the Wall; Daenerys is Queen. > 2. Daenerys dies; Jon becomes King Aegon VI. > 3. The Seven Kingdoms is no longer a single state; it breaks up, probably with Daenerys as Queen of the central part or as a loose ceremonial monarch. Various characters become the new monarchs of the constituent kingdoms. I don’t think the time compression means that much. No one was riding into rescue at the last minute so it doesn’t really matter if they cut out the boring bits. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Here’s a question I would like someone to ask Dany (Tyrion should have done so seasons ago). What does “breaking the wheel” mean? > > Ruling because your father was king is breaking the wheel? The North choose their own ruler and independence. Telling them to bend the knee or you’ll murder them all is breaking the wheel? > > It seems to me that breaking the wheel would be to break down the monarchy itself. Impose a different for of government that gave the peasantry a larger role in how they’re ruled. However, Dany’s actions do no support anything so radical, it’s just a different person ruling. If by breaking the wheel she meant the Targaryen dynast as unquestioned rulers in perpetuity, well, that’s less magnanimous than she lets on. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Then Robert was a good leader, but Dany still wanted to kill him. > > So breaking the wheel just means being a better ruler than Cersei? Do you think that’s what Tyrion thought Dany meant? Seems clear she thinks of herself as more than just a conqueror, but there’s no indication of what her ruling philosophy is other than “bend the knee or my barbarian horde will murder you.” That is the whole core of her character. She wants to think that she’s doing everything for noble reasons but in reality it’s all for selfish reasons. She wants to be queen because it’s her destiny. Because her father was king. Because no one else deserves it in her eyes. If she really cared what happened to the people she would turn it over to Jon because he can easily unite the north and the south. But she won’t because her main motivation is power just as much as Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/229 "2019-05-06T20:19:01Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Is it actually possible that they will… > have Dany go “mad Queen” and become a crazy vengeance-fueled maniac? She insists they attack the city, killing all the innocents along the way, like a total wipeout type thing. Jon Snow realizes this is insane and agrees to take her out, something Tyrion and Varys are clearly thinking might be necessary. > > Cue dramatic scene: Jon tells Dany she must stop and turn back. “You’re tearing me apart, Dany!” or something like that. She doesn’t care. John has to kill Dany in order to stop her from wiping out a bunch of innocents. > > Someone else kills Cercei and her hand(and Euron or whatever his name is). John is clearly the one to become king. > > But…he turns it down! “I never wanted it! I won’t take it.” He heads to the far North, leaving Westeros. > > Tyrion or Sansa becomes king/queen, though I think Tyrion is more likely since Sansa has betrayed John. > OK, so I made all that up, but it requires them to totally ruin Dany, a character they spent the entire show building up to be good(and sane!). I really am starting to believe this is going to end happily and neither Jon nor Dany will die. However, I think if she does die, I think it will be in battle, taking out the boats or something or maybe, boom, right when she first attacks the city. Some way that doesn’t force Jon to kill her. They’re telegraphing her “going mad” quite obviously, to the point the only way to subvert expectations is to NOT have her go mad. Also, really, what’s so “mad” about her lately? She makes some upset faces, which honestly, are totally reasonable given the circumstances? Do you notice that in these later episodes the subverting expectations has been NOT to do what GRRM would have done, and instead do what the fans want? Like, I’m sure most people would be sad if tons of main characters died at the battle of winterfell, but everybody expected it, and, NOPE, to the point of WTF? How the hell did they survive piles of zombies coming at them for a half hour straight?? Oh yeah, cause the fans want it, not cause they expect it. I feel the same about the Jamie/Brienne hookup. Satisfy the shippers. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/230 "2019-05-06T20:26:27Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > And see, I was thinking “Look at them waste all that perfectly good dragon food”. Speaking of dragon food, why do they always show rib cages and such from the animals the dragons eat? Are they really going to be picking meat from between bones? Seems like they would be eating the whole goat or sheep or whatever in one bite. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/231 "2019-05-06T20:31:19Z")
Prediction–Dany is knocked off her dragon and both are killed while attempting some bit of derring-do. They win, Cersei dies, and Jon refuses the throne. He stalks away to the north, not often to be seen again. Dany, not actually dead, but broken in body and spirit, finds him at their spot, and they retire together from a world now made safe. Safer, anyway. Tyrion takes the Iron Throne, either through his claim to have been uncle to two kings or through whatever “breaking the wheel” means. Turns out that he was the stealth main character all along, and his own Hero’s Journey was all to make him a good and decent ruler. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/232 "2019-05-06T20:41:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Speaking of dragon food, why do they always show rib cages and such from the animals the dragons eat? Are they really going to be picking meat from between bones? Seems like they would be eating the whole goat or sheep or whatever in one bite. Probably just for the visuals, but yeah, that makes no sense. They already established early on they are not shy about eating people whole. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/233 "2019-05-06T20:42:42Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > IAlso, really, what’s so “mad” about her lately? I mean not giving a shit about massacring a bunch of innocent folks by dragon fire in order to win the upcoming Battle of King’s Landing seems to be a bit mad. Perhaps cruel is a better way to describe it. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/234 "2019-05-06T20:47:43Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > OK, so I made all that up, but it requires them to totally ruin Dany, a character they spent the entire show building up to be good(and sane!). If you think that Dany has always been depicted as always being good and sane you haven’t been paying attention. From the very first season, she’s been shown being utterly cruel and ruthless to those who stood in her way, or who she thought wronged her. And those flashes of her character are becoming more frequent and significant. Her flipping out and deciding to “Burn them all” is consistent with her character as it’s been established over eight seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/235 "2019-05-06T20:48:17Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Speaking of dragon food, why do they always show rib cages and such from the animals the dragons eat? Are they really going to be picking meat from between bones? Seems like they would be eating the whole goat or sheep or whatever in one bite. That’s what they crap out.😉 ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/236 "2019-05-06T20:50:54Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > That’s what they crap out.😉 Imagine the buttholes on those things! ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/237 "2019-05-06T20:57:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Speaking of dragon food, why do they always show rib cages and such from the animals the dragons eat? Are they really going to be picking meat from between bones? Seems like they would be eating the whole goat or sheep or whatever in one bite. I envision a world of wagon-sized owl pellets crashing from the sky. Dragon-pellet scavenging could end up becoming its own economy, alleviating the need to even keep sheep as livestock, as the pellet-mongers guild provides the wool and fur to the clothiers, rugmakers, etc. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/238 "2019-05-06T21:00:01Z")
What about, instead of an Iron Throne, millions of socially-conscious and unified citizens of Westeros, all just stepping up and doing their part? IMHO, they’ve really dumbed down the show over the past couple of seasons. The best part of GoT was always the political intrigue and unexpected plot twists. They didn’t even have massive set-piece battles until the end of Season 2. It was like the show Rome where a couple of riders show up and exclaim “Hooray!! We won the battle of whatevershire!” And the battles they did have seemed like it took at least a season to maneuver the players in place. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/239 "2019-05-06T21:04:57Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I would spend all my money betting against you. Gendry is what he is. His story won’t change any further. Still an outside chance he’ll get on the throne. Zero chance he’s Cersei’s son. I was one who thought Gendry could be Robert’s and Cercei’s son. But I watched Jaime’s reaction when he heard the news that Gendry was Robert’s bastard and thought I might see shock. But he only showed mild curiosity. Since he is the only person in the show who could possibly know if that was true, I say that idea is dead. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/240 "2019-05-06T21:05:02Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > What about, instead of an Iron Throne, millions of socially-conscious and unified citizens of Westeros, all just stepping up and doing their part? I think that’s Letterkenny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=13)