# Game of Thrones 8.04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/2019 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524 "2019-05-05T20:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/261 "2019-05-06T22:38:16Z")
I may have missed it, the way this thread keeps sprouting, but I want to shoot down all the speculation of Jon and Dany sitting together on the throne. “Shoot down” is a pun. In any standard fantasy, the ending would always have been the king and queen on their twin dragons flying around their kingdom to the loving cheers of their subjects. When Rhaegal got shot down that fantasy got shot down with it. One dragon, one ruler. And that’s only if the dragon survives. That’s not going to happen. Leaving Dany alive with a dragon turns her into a power too great for Westeros. They’re both going down somehow. Especially if she keeps riding the dragon straight into the ballistas because she’s too dim to think of attacking from the rear. Forget who sits on the Iron Throne. Who sits on her throne with her gone? Most of the world will be in the same position. House Tarly has Sam, who foresworn it. With the Wall down, do all the pledges get cancelled? House Baratheon has Gendry, who knows nothing about kinging. Riverrun and Hightower are apparently up for grabs if Bronn can be put so easily in them. The Freys are dead. The Martells are dead. Arryn seems dead. The Mormonts have a preteen. Most of Essos’s males are dead and their system of slavery has been destroyed. The Lannisters are about to go kaput. A prediction that would be startling: all the houses fall and a one world government succeeds them. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/262 "2019-05-06T22:53:29Z")
OK, so I keep seeing that Jaime went back with Cercei, but is that what happened? I asked my wife if she thought he was leaving to rejoin her or to maybe kill her. My wife said it was ambiguous. Was the dialogue clear that he is legit leaving to freaking rejoin the woman he just ran away from? What a crappy development if so. They wanted him in that big battle so bad, they had him leave. Now have him rejoin her? No way. I hope he was returning to kill her, or at least attack her in his own way. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/263 "2019-05-06T22:53:31Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Leaving Dany alive with a dragon turns her into a power too great for Westeros. Prior to this episode, maybe. The only dragon was felled by a magic big-bad death incarnate. Now we know they’re weak to an array of not-even-that-big ballistas, and King’s Landing has enough of them to line the walls. How effective is the dragon going to be? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/264 "2019-05-06T23:17:23Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > I think the linked article’s headline is designed to provoke back-and-forth outrage. The linked article had a few tweets as sources, and that’s it. > […] > > Let’s not sensationalize. …its only “sensationalizing” if you pretend that black people don’t exist, that black fans of Game of Thrones don’t exist, and that the death of one of only two black characters to forward the arc of both the white character and the male character didn’t piss off significant chunk of that fanbase. It was a near-classic [fridging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators). > [@](#): > > Race in Game of Thrones is an interesting and fraught topic, and it’s worth keeping in mind how this is a show **starring white actors** , pretty much – but is there “a ton of fan pushback?” The decision to cast mainly white actors wasn’t an [accident](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/game-of-thrones-missandei-dies-does-it-happen-in-the-books-fridging). [The decision to have only 1 woman director on the series (who last directed in season 4) and only 2 credited female writers (the last one written in 2013) was not an accident](https://www.salon.com/2018/01/05/the-final-game-of-thrones-season-shuts-out-female-directors-and-writers/). There is a reason why many people don’t trust David Benioff and D.B. Weiss with the planned TV series [Confederate](https://www.avclub.com/game-of-thrones-creators-controversial-confederate-ser-1820918129). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/265 "2019-05-06T23:20:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The ‘bittersweet’ ending could be Sansa ruling the north as Queen, Gendry perhaps ruling his region as Lord of Storm’s end, Samwell Tarley ruling his family’s region, etc. Westeros becomes a European-like collection of city-states and small countries, and the 'wheel is truly broken. Perhaps someone ruling the region where King’s landing was from Dragonstone (maybe Tyrion), and pretty much everyone else dead. Or Jon goes north beyond the wall to be ‘where he belongs’ which was hammered into us repeatedly in the last episode. Or, they get evidence that there will be a new Night’s King, that the dead will begin rebuilding, and Jon goes back to being Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch and begins rebuilding the wall. I really see something like this as the ending, but with (I hope!) both Jon and Dany dead. Neither one of them is a fit ruler of a small village, much less a kingdom. Hell, give Bronn Highgarden to boot. All great houses begin somewhere. Except let someone else rule from Dragonstone - Tyrion belongs with Sansa. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/266 "2019-05-06T23:25:47Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > Prior to this episode, maybe. The only dragon was felled by a magic big-bad death incarnate. > > Now we know they’re weak to an array of not-even-that-big ballistas, and King’s Landing has enough of them to line the walls. > > How effective is the dragon going to be? If the dragon survives, then it’s a world-class weapon. That’s why it won’t survive. ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/267 "2019-05-06T23:30:42Z")
I think its safe to say that in the end there will only be Dany or Jon sitting on the throne! Theres no way that they would end the show with them living happily ever after in GOT universe. And another problem with this season is how they suddenly out of the blue are changing Danny attitude. Up until this episode there was no signs that she was building up resentment and suddenly in this episode she ready to explode!!! And just seems so out of her character too. Im really disapointed with how this season is unfolding and I think the plot armor will continue forward to get an unlikely outcome like for example Sansa becoming the Queen of the seven kingdoms. Right now it seems highly unlikely but the writers can make it happen with some twisted plot line that nobody can imagine… Anyway I am for anything now… heck lets Dany get more dragons somehow and instead of having one she gets another three and obliterate the city… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/268 "2019-05-06T23:33:15Z")
When he said “Be the Lady of Storm’s End”, I was half-expecting her to reply “I’d rather be the LORD of Storm’s End. GIMME YOUR FACE! [stab!]” And I was hoping when Dany was angrily walking away at the end, she’d mutter “Burn them all…” ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/269 "2019-05-06T23:41:59Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > heck lets Dany get more dragons somehow and instead of having one she gets another three and obliterate the city… That’s puzzled me from the start. The dragon eggs Dany got were rare, but they weren’t unheard of. Surely, there are more where those three came from. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/270 "2019-05-07T00:07:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Did anyone notice the Starbucks cup in front of Dany during the victory feast? > > [Sharp-Eyed ‘Game Of Thrones’ Viewers Just Spotted A HUGE Mistake | HuffPost Entertainment](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup_n_5ccfeb7fe4b04e275d4ca2da) They’re opening up locations everywhere, aren’t they? > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > So next ep we hear a dragon roar and Euron looks shocked > > Wild ass theory #455: The Lord of Light resurrects Rhaegal. Remember all that talk about the Lord of Light pissing off after The Great War has ended? There’s your boon Dany. Talk about your literal Deux Ex Machina. I kinda wondered if Rhaegal was going to wash up onshore still alive like Tyrion did. Doesn’t seem likely though. > [@msmith537](#): > > …The show is having us believe that a battery of medieval ballista, fired from rolling and pitching ships decks, can fire bolts capable of scoring multiple hits at a moving target several thousand feet in the air. All this while remaining undetected by two dragons, because the fleet happens to be out of the camera’s field of view. The more you think about it the more absurd it gets. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Dragons were believed to be obsolete, so probably no one thought about dragon defense systems in centuries. The ballista design might have been found in the archives, or one of the mechanical engineering maesters was clever enough to design it from scratch… I got the impression that Qyburn just found the plans somewhere for something that was never actually built. The Targaryen Conquest took place over years, not decades and was 300 years ago; by the time anyone figured out a defense system against dragons they extinct and the only families with the resources to fund development were House Targaryen and it’s allies. > [@zimaane](#): > > Varys has always claimed to be motivated by a desire to make things better for ordinary people (“the Realm” as he refers to it). Now that he sees Dany is becoming less and less stable, and may be on the verge of killing thousands of people, he is naturally reconsidering his support for her. Varys seems to be the only person in show with any conception of Westeros as a nation-state and not just a hierarchy of fiefdoms. > [@Colibri](#): > > …Robert was shit, and Joffrey appeared to be an even worse option. But if they were seeking for an upgrade among known quantities then Renly would have been the best option. (Admittedly the “too gay to produce an heir” might have been a drawback.)… To be fair they never actually tried Loras fluffing him up and/or Margaery dressing up like her brother. > [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > …To the extent that Game of Thrones is about answering [Varys’s riddle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pxSRa5KRKc) about who holds power, Gendry is not reasonably in the running. Gendry now has the Baratheon name, but nothing else. He has no loyal underlings, no army. The Baratheons already fought a 3-sided war against themselves before any of the other wars got going. There can’t possibly be any left. He has no guile. No ambition. No understanding of how the Game of Thrones is played. If he holds Storm’s End, it will be entirely as the dependent vassal of Dany, which is just what she wants…I actually really liked Bronn in this episode, after some consideration. He’s moving up the ladder in terms of the riddle. He’s realized that you don’t become a noble by being a really good sellsword. You become a noble by convincing other people to do your work for you, under threat of violence. Much better to just threaten the powerful directly than to do their bidding… Best case scenario for Gendry is that he either ends up a vassal; the Baratheon Dynasty wasn’t even well established enough for him to serve as a convenient figurehead for somebody else. > [@RickJay](#): > > … > 3. The Seven Kingdoms is no longer a single state; it breaks up, probably with Daenerys as Queen of the central part or as a loose ceremonial monarch. Various characters become the new monarchs of the constituent kingdoms. I’m thinking this is how the story ends; in the end there’s no Iron Throne left for anyone to sit on. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Is Cersei on the throne ostensibly as a Barratheon? If so, then Gendry would be next I think. If she’s on it as a Lannister, then it would be Jaime then Tyrion. IIRC in theory Cersei’s claim to the throne is that the Lannisters are related to the Baratheons and now that House Baratheon it’s claims devolve onto House Lannister (of which Cersei is the heir since Jaimie & Tyrion are disqualified), but it’s just window dressing for her holding the throne by right of conquest. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > …However, Dany’s actions do no support anything so radical, it’s just a different person ruling. If by breaking the wheel she meant the Targaryen dynast as unquestioned rulers in perpetuity, well, that’s less magnanimous than she lets on. I’ve always taken her plans to break the wheel as plans to replace Westeros’s feudal monarchy with an absolute one; instead of local nobility more or less ruling as they please as long as they payed homage to the Iron Throne there’s be a network of non hereditary provincial governors answers only to her. > [@Loach](#): > > …That is the whole core of her character. She wants to think that she’s doing everything for noble reasons but in reality it’s all for selfish reasons. She wants to be queen because it’s her destiny. Because her father was king. Because no one else deserves it in her eyes. If she really cared what happened to the people she would turn it over to Jon because he can easily unite the north and the south. But she won’t because her main motivation is power just as much as Cersei. I think this neatly sums up Daenerys. And at least Cersei has moments of self-awareness about herself. > [@asterion](#): > > The problem Westeros has is that not only has its technology apparently stagnated for hundreds or thousands of years but so has its government and political philosophy. If we set it as approximately equivalent to between the fall of Rome and the start of the Italian Renaissance, maybe further narrowing it down to the High Middle Ages, a lot was going on that never had an equivalent in Westeros. There’s apparently no older known political philosophy like Plato and Aristotle. There’s no equivalent of Anselm or Aquinas. There is one “university” with the Citadel in Oldtown, but it seems like any learning from the maesters doesn’t really spread. There’s definitely nothing like the technology development of the 12th and 13th centuries. I think the maesters deliberately try to keep as much as their knowledge a secret as they can to preserve their own position. > [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > they never talk about any type of formal schooling for the average person do they? I know Sam went to study at the citadel. Also I recall a scene where Bran was learning at home about the various families and areas. Highborn children are tutored at home by septas, maesters (at least for the boys), and the occasional specialist (like now Ned Start hired a “dancing master” for Ayra). > [@DigitalC](#): > > Average person like peasants? hah no, they don’t get any schooling. I’d like to think that some septs might have some kind of schools attached to them where promising (and/or obliging) lowborn children can learn the basics of arithmetic & literacy while local septon/septa scouts for the next generation of lower clergy. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > …Westeros becomes a European-like collection of city-states and small countries, and the 'wheel is truly broken… Which is basically what Westeros was like before the Targaryens. > [@Colibri](#): > > …But this is all moot. Basically Westeros is such a complete shambles at this point that the throne is for the taking by anybody with sufficient military and political power. Agreed; it’s actually been that way for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/271 "2019-05-07T00:11:17Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > As far as 3 goes, it wasn’t Euron reloading and shooting, the whole fleet had ballistas. As for 13 just because the Martells are dead does not mean someone else can’t be in charge, they said “new prince” not “new Martell”. The rest is pretty dead on though, but honestly we can’t really expect two guys who signed up to do book adaptations to write a satisfying conclusion to one of the greatest fantasy series of all time. Nobody but Martin could do that, and at this point even that is in serious doubt. You’re right. No one possibly could. So many fans have already decided exactly what should have and shouldn’t have been gone and there is no possible way that any one story could satisfy all of these disparate stories at once. Can’t be done. I get wanting stories to play out a certain way but reading the messages and watching fan videos I get people predicting what is going to happen based on story constructs they’re used to and it made me wonder if we’ve gotten too good at recognizing story elements to actually enjoy stories any more. I mean, even people saying they are expecting trope shattering writing are making expectations on what to expect only based on what it should not be rather than on what it actually is. I’m not talking about the folks complaining about characters making stupid decisions here. i’m talking more about people disappointed about who did or didn’t die and when they did or didn’t die and the like. Those who expect the writing to follow a formula that it didn’t follow. So, like I said, I don’t think any creator ever who shared his creation to 2 or more people could expect to have created something that satisfies everyone who experienced his creation. People don’t work that way. Everyone has an opinion. I don’t remember who posted this above but they said that the current writing has been slanted to appeal to the less critical fans rather than write for the hard core fans. What’s wrong with that though? Even Shakespeare did that. It’s doing that and still creating the masterpiece that is the trick. Gotta say on the bad tactics front I’ve gotta agree the decision for a frontal assault is made due to only having 2 more episodes not for story reasons. Cercei has laid out a fair amount of coin and they’re not going to stick around forever. When the gold runs out, they are gone or worse, they turn on her. I’d let her keep running up that bill as long as possible if I was her enemy. Of course, Dany may not feel she has the time due to Jon’s growing popularity. Every day people aren’t doing something is another day for them to prefer him over her. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/272 "2019-05-07T00:11:49Z")
**[Moderating]** > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I trust you wrote all that while puffing on a pipe This can, just barely, be construed as an attack on the post, rather than on the poster, and so won’t earn a Warning for personal insults. But it’s still way too personalized for CS. Dial it back, **Dale Sams**. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/273 "2019-05-07T00:20:10Z")
Poor Ghost but at least is in his natural environment, I think this was Jon letting go of his Stark baggage. Jon will be King but will never be a Stark ever again. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/274 "2019-05-07T00:33:04Z")
Good episode, I enjoyed it despite its flaws. I agree that those were howitzers, not ballistas. The thing that pisses me off is Bronn just walking into Winterfell like that. And why wouldn’t Tyrion and Jaime promise whatever and later just have him quartered? The whole scene is just stupid IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/275 "2019-05-07T00:35:05Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > That’s what they crap out.😉 The crap out fully intact rib cages? So it’s like whole kernels of corn, but for dragons? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/276 "2019-05-07T00:36:40Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > Prior to this episode, maybe. The only dragon was felled by a magic big-bad death incarnate. > > Now we know they’re weak to an array of not-even-that-big ballistas, and King’s Landing has enough of them to line the walls. > > How effective is the dragon going to be? It’s easy. The wait until night time, get up to a very fast speed and then just strafe the tops of the walls with dragon fire. One pass per side. No time to line up a shot, or anything. They probably won’t do that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/277 "2019-05-07T00:44:45Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > That’s puzzled me from the start. The dragon eggs Dany got were rare, but they weren’t unheard of. Surely, there are more where those three came from. There are more dragon eggs floating about, but they are ‘inert’; they are seen as items of beauty and value, but have no practical purpose. The same was true of Dany’s eggs when they were given to her…they were nothing more than pieces of ‘historical art’. Nobody dreamed that they would ever hatch. The fact that they did hatch is what gives credence to the idea that Daenerys is destined to take the throne - she apparently has powers that literally no one else in the world has. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/278 "2019-05-07T00:45:16Z")
If anyone wants to know what the director thinks of Jaime’s motivation to leave and about Ghost and other stuff here is an interview. > **['Game of Thrones' director David Nutter explains Jaime's heartbreaking choice...](https://www.insider.com/game-of-thrones-director-david-nutter-season-8-interview-2019-5)** > > In an INSIDER interview, HBO director David Nutter discusses why Jaime reverted back to his bond with Cersei despite his major scene with Brienne. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/279 "2019-05-07T00:47:36Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The fact that they did hatch is what gives credence to the idea that Daenerys is destined to take the throne - she apparently has powers that literally no one else in the world has. She explains in one episode that she had a dream that told her to put the eggs into fire. Not sure if it’s any more magical than that. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/280 "2019-05-07T00:49:46Z")
Wait, the Starbucks cup wasn’t Photoshopped? :smack: How could they fuck up that bad? I really hope that wasn’t Winterfell that Bronn strolled into carrying a crossbow. I heard a podcaster say it might have been a local inn, and hopefully that’s so because otherwise…yeah. (Even then, it’s still not a great scene.) > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The Mormonts have a preteen. If you mean Lyanna, she dead. She died in the previous episode, fighting the undead giant. That was pretty dark and hard to follow, admittedly, but they also showed her corpse at the beginning of this episode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=15)