# Game of Thrones 8.04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/2019 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524 "2019-05-05T20:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/361 "2019-05-07T20:04:51Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > This is fun. > > While looking at the causes of death, I noticed that one character is listed as having died by hanging himself and another by stabbing himself with a knife. I can’t remember either. Who would they be? Selyse Baratheon hung herself after her daughter was sacrificed. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/362 "2019-05-07T20:05:45Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Selyse Baratheon hung herself after her daughter was sacrificed. Good call! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/363 "2019-05-07T20:07:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Checking back, Cersei commissioned the Guild of Pyromancers to make wildfire before the Battle of the Blackwater. Tyrion was surprised they were able to make the huge amounts he saw, suggesting that they (evidently the pyromancers, not Qyburn) had actually found the previous stashes. Tyrion ordered all that they had at the time to be put on ships to use in the Battle of the Blackwater. I think they explicitly said they’ve been working around the clock, day and night, to come up with all that wildfyre. It’s implied they’re manufacturing, not collecting it. I guess that could be interpreted either way, but I haven’t re-watched the scene for the actual quote. The impression I got was definitely that it was newly manufactured. Additionally, when Cersei decides to blow up the Sept, she asks Qyburn to look into rumors that there’s wildfyre stashed around the city. Presumably she would know if the guild was just locating the old stocks of wildfyre and not creating new stuff. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/364 "2019-05-07T20:08:03Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > This is fun. > > While looking at the causes of death, I noticed that one character is listed as having died by hanging himself and another by stabbing himself with a knife. I can’t remember either. Who would they be? The stabbing may have been the old man who feeds Arya and the Hound. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/365 "2019-05-07T20:09:00Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Checking back, Cersei commissioned the Guild of Pyromancers to make wildfire before the Battle of the Blackwater. Tyrion was surprised they were able to make the huge amounts he saw, suggesting that they (evidently the pyromancers, not Qyburn) had actually found the previous stashes. Tyrion ordered all that they had at the time to be put on ships to use in the Battle of the Blackwater. > > Later on Qyburn finds (presumably additional) caches, which are used for the Sept of Baelor explosion. I’m not sure it’s clear that they used all of it up. In any case, the knowledge of making it hasn’t been lost, and Cersei could have commissioned more. It’s also uncertain that all of the caches left by Aerys have been found. Yes yes, all this has been mentioned. However, people in this thread are talking about wildfire being hidden around the city as if it’s known that it exists. I asked if there was a line or scene from the show that shows this. From the results talking past each other I can infer that there wasn’t and it’s all an (perhaps reasonable) assumption. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/366 "2019-05-07T20:14:36Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > the only hangings i can think of are when Jon hung the traitors who killed him. Brother Ray was hanged by the rogue members of the Brotherhood without Banners, who were in turn hanged by the Hound and their captors. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/367 "2019-05-07T20:21:12Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Yes yes, all this has been mentioned. > > However, people in this thread are talking about wildfire being hidden around the city as if it’s known that it exists. I asked if there was a line or scene from the show that shows this. From the results talking past each other I can infer that there wasn’t and it’s all an (perhaps reasonable) assumption. Jamie knows, and he told Brienne. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/368 "2019-05-07T20:21:50Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > The stabbing may have been the old man who feeds Arya and the Hound. I believe you are correct. Those are the people from which the Hound stole the silver, but then their bodies are later discovered by the Hound and the Brotherhood. The old man had evidently killed his daughter and then himself to avoid dying from starvation. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/369 "2019-05-07T20:23:57Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Jamie knows, and he told Brienne. Yes. He told Brienne about the stuff that Qyburn found and moved under the Sept of Baelor which was then consumed in an explosion. Whether or not there are additional caches that Qyburn did not find is unknown, as far as I can tell. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/370 "2019-05-07T20:26:46Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > However, people in this thread are talking about wildfire being hidden around the city as if it’s known that it exists. I asked if there was a line or scene from the show that shows this. From the results talking past each other I can infer that there wasn’t and it’s all an (perhaps reasonable) assumption. No, AFAIK there is no definite statement that there are still caches around the city after the Sept of Baelor explosion. However, it would be no surprise if it turned out there were, either caches still left over from Aerys or planted by Cersei for whatever reason. And Cersei has had plenty of time to make more. Considering the importance of wildfire to the storylines of both the Targaryens and Lannisters (including Jaime, Tyrion, and Cersei, for different reasons) I would be surprised if it doesn’t come into play in the final conflict between them. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/371 "2019-05-07T20:36:58Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Especially considering that in a lot of places around the world the age of consent is now 16 (and in the medieval ages, people would get married younger than that all the time). Of course (and of course, the majority of people in the western world also have sex before 18). This makes the concern all the more ridiculous. That people would be worried about whether the _character_ (not even the actor) who is seen as about to have sex would be or not above the age of consent if she was real, and actually had sex, and was living in their jurisdiction, is nonsentical. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/372 "2019-05-07T20:49:06Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > but then are on the verge of fainting when they see the back of a character about to have loving sex with someone she likes because they’re not sure whether the character is supposed to be 18 or not in the lore goes beyond the weird, in my perception. I’m not sure people were on the verge of fainting. I gave my explanation before, but I binged all 7 seasons together, so she still REALLY seemed like a young teenager to me. Plus, she just looks young, and I’m not one to want to see women that look like young teens getting naked. I wasn’t shocked or grossed out or fainting. I felt skeevy actually, looking at the side boob of a girl who was 10 years old 3 days before, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/373 "2019-05-07T21:36:00Z")
[https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NastyMarriedAmericanbobtail-mobile.mp4](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NastyMarriedAmericanbobtail-mobile.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/374 "2019-05-07T21:37:34Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not sure people were on the verge of fainting. I gave my explanation before, but I binged all 7 seasons together, so she still REALLY seemed like a young teenager to me. Plus, she just looks young, and I’m not one to want to see women that look like young teens getting naked. I wasn’t shocked or grossed out or fainting. I felt skeevy actually, looking at the side boob of a girl who was 10 years old 3 days before, that’s all. You watched 67 episodes in 3 days? That’s like 22 hours of TV a day…:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/375 "2019-05-07T21:42:04Z")
Personally, my evaluation of her as an innocent waned when her murder count reached double digits. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/376 "2019-05-07T22:56:30Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > [https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NastyMarriedAmericanbobtail-mobile.mp4](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NastyMarriedAmericanbobtail-mobile.mp4) Great! ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/377 "2019-05-07T23:04:01Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Personally, my evaluation of her as an innocent waned when her murder count reached double digits. You most certainly have a point. There’s a distinct lack of likeable characters who don’t have a lawful stupid or raven useless alignement since the death of lady Mormont. I’m considering rooting for Robin Arryn. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/378 "2019-05-07T23:10:45Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > This is fun. > > While looking at the causes of death, I noticed that one character is listed as having died by hanging himself and another by stabbing himself with a knife. I can’t remember either. Who would they be? Remembered the hanging : Stannis’ wife. Still can’t remember who stabbed himself, though. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/379 "2019-05-07T23:40:33Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You watched 67 episodes in 3 days? That’s like 22 hours of TV a day…:eek: Maybe 4 days 🙂 It was quite a weekend binge. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/380 "2019-05-08T00:00:37Z")
Wow. I love the show, some of the middle seasons especially, but I don’t think I could take that. > [@Colibri](#): > > I’m sure Starbuck’s is happy with the publicity but it isn’t actually a Starbuck’s cup. It’s probably from the caterers who feed the crew on set. Yes. It definitely looks like a cheap, generic takeout cup a non-branded caterer might use. People are just saying “Starbucks” because they are heedless, unobservant. I’m not too shocked that they failed to notice it in the editing process. It’s the failure to notice it on the set in the moment that is surprising–but as I’ve said, sometimes everyday objects can become mentally “invisible”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=20)