# Game of Thrones 8.04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/2019 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524 "2019-05-05T20:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/381 "2019-05-08T00:03:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Maybe 4 days 🙂 It was quite a weekend binge. Could you still enjoy them in the same way? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/382 "2019-05-08T00:05:08Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yes. It definitely looks like a cheap, generic takeout cup a non-branded caterer might use. People are just saying “Starbucks” because they are heedless, unobservant. What do you mean? There’s clearly some sort of logo on the cup that looks suspiciously like the Starbucks logo. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/383 "2019-05-08T00:10:50Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What do you mean? There’s clearly some sort of logo on the cup that looks suspiciously like the Starbucks logo. The show has responded. It was from Craft service. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/384 "2019-05-08T00:13:20Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The show has responded. It was from Craft service. And it’s [been cornfielded](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-game-of-thrones-starbucks-coffee-cup-removed-20190507-story.html). ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/385 "2019-05-08T00:19:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The show has responded. It was from Craft service. Yeah, I get that. They are lying. And now they are erasing it to cover their tracks. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/386 "2019-05-08T00:20:32Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Could you still enjoy them in the same way? In the same way as what? (no snark, i’m just not sure what you are asking me) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/387 "2019-05-08T00:20:49Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yes. It definitely looks like a cheap, generic takeout cup a non-branded caterer might use. People are just saying “Starbucks” because they are heedless, unobservant. People are saying “Starbucks” because it’s funnier than “generic coffee cup” and has better meme potential. [![](https://i.redd.it/x77zo4mv9xcz.jpg) ](https://i.redd.it/x77zo4mv9xcz.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/388 "2019-05-08T00:31:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Personally, my evaluation of her as an innocent waned when her murder count reached double digits. None of those people she murdered saw her tits, though, so who cares? Also, the conspiracy theory that Game of Thrones, with budgets in the 100m+ range, a prestige, network-defining series deliberately snuck a starbucks coffee in the shot as product placement is ridiculous. It’s a production fuckup. It’s hard to believe, but believing it’s a production fuckup is 100x more plausible than that it was crazy product placement. Come on. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/389 "2019-05-08T00:54:58Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > [https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NastyMarriedAmericanbobtail-mobile.mp4](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NastyMarriedAmericanbobtail-mobile.mp4) Massive spoilers for episodes 5&6. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/390 "2019-05-08T01:11:06Z")
> [@lisiate](#): > > Massive spoilers for episodes 5&6. Yeah, it’s _literally_ unbelievable that HBO let them give all that away on a talk show. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/391 "2019-05-08T01:18:30Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Also, the conspiracy theory that Game of Thrones, with budgets in the 100m+ range, a prestige, network-defining series deliberately snuck a starbucks coffee in the shot as product placement is ridiculous. It’s a production fuckup. It’s hard to believe, but believing it’s a production fuckup is 100x more plausible than that it was crazy product placement. Come on. No shit, man. You’ve really cracked the case on this one. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/392 "2019-05-08T01:41:40Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m not too shocked that they failed to notice it in the editing process. It’s the failure to notice it on the set in the moment that is surprising–but as I’ve said, sometimes everyday objects can become mentally “invisible”. They were doing 55 days of night shoots before this. This could have been the tenth take of that scene. Maybe they gave everybody a cup to revive them between takes and just overlooked it in one of them. And maybe it was only in one take, but the editors selected that take without noticing it wasn’t a prop. > [@Slash1972](#): > > What do you mean? There’s clearly some sort of logo on the cup that looks suspiciously like the Starbucks logo. There’s nothing “clearly” about it. It looks to me like it could be a shadow. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Yeah, I get that. They are lying. And now they are erasing it to cover their tracks. > [@Slash1972](#): > > No shit, man. You’ve really cracked the case on this one. :rolleyes: I thought you might be joking in your first reply, but you’re serious about this, aren’t you?:dubious: Mistakes like this creep into movies and TV all the time. There are literally 100,000 details to keep straight in every episode. It seems far more plausible to me that someone screwed up than GoT would have risked the ridicule they’ve been receiving, or that Starbuck’s would need pay for a fraction of a second of exposure of a blurred coffee cup. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/393 "2019-05-08T01:54:53Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I thought you might be joking in your first reply, but you’re serious about this, aren’t you?:dubious: No, it’s obvious to everyone that it’s a mistake. If they were so dumb as to have an actual Starbucks product placement, then I don’t know what to think. There is some sort of “shape” or “logo” or something on the cup, so people ran with “It’s Starbucks!” If someone showed that to me, I’d say Starbucks, 'cause that’s what it looks like to me. It’s not a shadow. And I’d say it was a mistake. Just like everyone who isn’t joking. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/394 "2019-05-08T02:11:15Z")
About those ballistas…physics and engineering are not my forte – how big a windlass would it take to generate the velocity necessary to go through-and-through both sides of a ship a half mile away? And how many Zombie-Mountains would it take to wind it up? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/395 "2019-05-08T02:31:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Only suicide i can think of is Tommen and he jumped out a window, the only hangings i can think of are when Jon hung the traitors who killed him. > [@Railer13](#): > > Selyse Baratheon hung herself after her daughter was sacrificed. > [@Railer13](#): > > Brother Ray was hanged by the rogue members of the Brotherhood without Banners, who were in turn hanged by the Hound and their captors. There were also the three Lannister whores the Stark men hung that Brienne and Jaime came across. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/396 "2019-05-08T02:38:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You watched 67 episodes in 3 days? That’s like 22 hours of TV a day…:eek: Damn. And I thought watching 67 in a little over 3 weeks was tough. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/397 "2019-05-08T03:32:45Z")
Surprised to see this episode is currently a 6.8 on IMDB. The previous low of the series is Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken at 8.1. This episode wasn’t great, but it certainly doesn’t deserve to be the lowest by far. But it doesn’t seem like the voting numbers are inflated, so it doesn’t suggest review bombing. The number of votes for each episode this season is 62k, 57k, 127k, 54k. Why, then, is this episode rated the worst episode of the show by far? Kinda strange. 8.03, the big climactic battle, is actually only 8.7 which is fairly low for a big battle episode. Other big battle episodes were rated much higher. Battle of the Bastards and Hardhome are 9.9. Spoils of War is 9.8. Blackwater was 9.7. Watchers on the Wall was 9.6. In comparison, for being the same sort of episode, 8.4 is pretty low. Maybe the audience isn’t as enamored with this season as the noisy fanboys seem to suggest. Edit: For comparison, taking out the bottom 2 episodes, the ratings on this show range from 8.4 to 9.9. So if The Long Night is 8.4, it’s much closer to being one of the worst episodes than one of the best. I almost feel bad, because there were stories about how gruelling it was to film it. It’s too bad the writing just failed to make it compelling. They put in all the work to make something great, but it just wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/398 "2019-05-08T03:33:57Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Selyse Baratheon hung herself after her daughter was sacrificed. Missed your answer, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/399 "2019-05-08T03:34:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > There is some sort of “shape” or “logo” or something on the cup, so people ran with “It’s Starbucks!” If someone showed that to me, I’d say Starbucks, 'cause that’s what it looks like to me. [Works for me, too (screenshot brightened with Photoshop)](https://imgur.com/UN14mDv). ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/400 "2019-05-08T03:41:11Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > The stabbing may have been the old man who feeds Arya and the Hound. Ha, maybe. He has a speaking part, so he would count. I didn’t remember that the exact cause of death was known. Well, I had mostly forgiven the hound for his past crimes, but now that you’ve remembered me this one, I’m changing my mind. I really hated this event, and the hound for having done that. For some reason more than for everything else he did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=21)