# Game of Thrones 8.04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/2019 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524 "2019-05-05T20:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/481 "2019-05-09T16:13:20Z")
I seem to recall Rhaegal plunging into the sea. Who would be around him there? ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/482 "2019-05-09T16:20:38Z")
Both Beric and Jon were resurrected by the now-dead Melisandre. We have no reason to believe that anyone other than Melisandre is capable of resurrection. ---
**Author:** ![Art\_Rock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/art_rock/32/525_2.png) [@Art\_Rock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Art_Rock)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/483 "2019-05-09T16:20:49Z")
I’ve been reading this thread as it developed, but I don’t think I’ve seen this question raised or answered: why is the episode called “The last of the Starks”? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/484 "2019-05-09T16:21:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I haven’t liked Euron since the moment he stepped on screen. He’s a cartoon, and his magical ability to summon massive fleets from nowhere and appear wherever the real characters need to be in danger is just totally out of sync with the rest of the story. So, you find him… jarring? Dare I say…Jar-jarring? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/485 "2019-05-09T16:26:00Z")
From a narrative point of view, what good does it do to bring back one dragon when they already have one? Having Rhaegal killed serve a narrative function. Many functions. It makes Euron seem even more dangerous; it tells the viewer that the forces of Cersei Lannister have the capability to kill dragons; it furthers Daenerys’s fury and rage and unwillingness to compromise or plan. Having Rhaegal come back doesn’t really do a lot, unless having two separate dragon-oriented battles is important to the story and I sure hope it’s not because we have enough to deal with. The point of having dragons is that Daenerys is the only person with an air force. If you think about it, most of the time it hasn’t really mattered if she had one, two or three dragons. That number has really only been important in 1. That it allowed for the Night King to get one, 2. That it allowed for Dany to suffer loss, and 3. That it allowed for Dany and Jon to have a romantic dragon ride together. None of those matter anymore; the Night King is now chipped ice, Daenerys is as pissed off and frustrated as she can get, and her and Jon are clearly on the outs and don’t have time for fun rides. If air support from a dragon is going to matter in the next two episodes, you really just need one. Bryan: Booo ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/486 "2019-05-09T16:27:45Z")
> [@Art\_Rock](#): > > I’ve been reading this thread as it developed, but I don’t think I’ve seen this question raised or answered: why is the episode called “The last of the Starks”? It was something Sansa said in the scene where John revealed his true identity. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/487 "2019-05-09T16:30:23Z")
> [@Art\_Rock](#): > > I’ve been reading this thread as it developed, but I don’t think I’ve seen this question raised or answered: why is the episode called “The last of the Starks”? Jon isn’t a Stark, and Bran and Arya have no interest in carrying on the family name. Sansa’s the last one now, and she’s beginning to act like it. > [@Shakester](#): > > Both Beric and Jon were resurrected by the now-dead Melisandre. > > We have no reason to believe that anyone other than Melisandre is capable of resurrection. No, Beric was resurrected (mostly) by the now-dead Thoros of Myr. So we have reason to believe any Red Priest or Priestess could do it. ---
**Author:** ![Art\_Rock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/art_rock/32/525_2.png) [@Art\_Rock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Art_Rock)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/488 "2019-05-09T16:32:15Z")
Thanks both, did not remember that she said that. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/489 "2019-05-09T16:32:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Dare I say…Jar-jarring? Mee-sa pumpin a prince inta the queen. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/490 "2019-05-09T16:33:22Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > No, Beric was resurrected (mostly) by the now-dead Thoros of Myr. So we have reason to believe any Red Priest or Priestess could do it. You’re right, my mistake. Even so, the dead dragon at the bottom of the sea is unlikely to be encountering any Red Priests or Priestesses. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/491 "2019-05-09T16:37:20Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Both Beric and Jon were resurrected by the now-dead Melisandre. > > We have no reason to believe that anyone other than Melisandre is capable of resurrection. Well Thoros of Myr was the one who resurrected Beric. Though Thoros is also dead. Edit: Though that was also said. Granted there are only 2 more episodes, so I don’t think we’ll get a brand new Red Priest to start resurrecting things. ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/492 "2019-05-09T16:56:03Z")
Can we all agree that the story is unfolding for a Danys victory in KL, wiping out Euron ( well maybe Yara will be the one killing him in a ship battle?) and Cersei and becoming the queen and she does something that will lead someone to kill her afterwards? In the process The Hound fights the Mountain (does the outcome really matter?) Arya going to KL, is obviously to kill Cersei, theres no other point of her storyline. I dont see her being the one killing Danny. She doesnt have reason to, unless John is killed by Danny?? Jaime could be the one killing Cersei perhaps after finding out she lied and shes not really pregnant?? (Btw is she really pregnant? With the constant time travel going on in the show its hard to tell just how long time has passed, but if she was pregnant it would be visible by now right?) The north story is closed… dont see what else they bring to the story now. I am hoping to see some conclusion to Bran. so yeah, I am expecting this big twist, Dany wins against Cersei to be betrayed by someone on her side… The end. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/493 "2019-05-09T17:07:15Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > Can we all agree that the story is unfolding for a Danys victory in KL, wiping out Euron ( well maybe Yara will be the one killing him in a ship battle?) and Cersei and becoming the queen and she does something that will lead someone to kill her afterwards?. Yes. At this point the big surprise would be if anything other than that happened. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/494 "2019-05-09T17:09:15Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > I think we’re supposed to suspend our disbelief there and assume Dany and co are well out of range, but they just showed them closer because it packs a more emotional punch for Dany and Grey Worm to _watch_ Missandei die than to hear about it from Tyrion shortly afterwards. Dramatic license, I guess. Dany: “Whats happening?? I cant see anything.” Greyworm: “Did they just throw a pumpkin off the wall?” Drogan: “SOMEONE SAY ‘DRACARYS’???” ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/495 "2019-05-09T17:32:11Z")
My predictions on the next two episodes, based on the simplistic fan fiction writing of the series so far. Grey worm will die Jon Snow will die Danerys will die Cerseri will then get killed by Arya Gregorstein will chop her, perhaps Tyrion too Hound kills frankengregor Jamie kills Hound… for no real reason apart from he’s there, or something Sansa marries Gendry and rules Westeros, with Davos as the Hand, Varys back to usual Jamie marries Brienne. Bran wheels off a cliff Have I missed anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/496 "2019-05-09T17:32:41Z")
> [@Art\_Rock](#): > > I’ve been reading this thread as it developed, but I don’t think I’ve seen this question raised or answered: why is the episode called “The last of the Starks”? It was not referring to a single person, I believe, but to the group of them that gathered–Arya, Bran, and Sansa (and they believed, Jon, until he blabbed). _Collectively_, the last remaining Starks. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/497 "2019-05-09T17:35:24Z")
Nitpick but Jon is still one of the last of the Starks. He’s just not one of Ned Stark’s children. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/498 "2019-05-09T17:36:27Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > My predictions on the next two episodes, based on the simplistic fan fiction writing of the series so far. > > Grey worm will die > Jon Snow will die > Danerys will die > Cerseri will then get killed by Arya > Gregorstein will chop her, perhaps Tyrion too > Hound kills frankengregor > Jamie kills Hound… for no real reason apart from he’s there, or something > Sansa marries Gendry and rules Westeros, with Davos as the Hand, Varys back to usual > Jamie marries Brienne. > Bran wheels off a cliff > > Have I missed anyone? Bronn ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/499 "2019-05-09T18:15:02Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Bronn That’s King Bronn, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms for you, if you don’t mind. ---
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> [@DrCube](#): > > Jon isn’t a Stark, and Bran and Arya have no interest in carrying on the family name. Sansa’s the last one now, and she’s beginning to act like it. > > No, Beric was resurrected (mostly) by the now-dead Thoros of Myr. So we have reason to believe any Red Priest or Priestess could do it. And neither he nor Melisandre actually believed that they could do it (well, Thoros the first time he tried). They just said the words and the Lord of Light made it happen. We’ve only seen two resurrections and they were both in service of killing the Night King, so I think we’re done with that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=26)