# Game of Thrones 8.04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/2019 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524 "2019-05-05T20:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/121 "2019-05-06T08:00:26Z")
Let’s get this out of the way first: The ballista would never, ever be that effective against a moving target. Try hitting an airplane with one. Good luck. Those might as well be magical machine-ballistas with wildfire exploding tips by the level of destruction they wreaked on a largish ship. So that’s kind of a deux ex machina as far as I’m concerned. Euron’s ships might as well have a magical invisibility cloak as well. A fleet that size would be obviously visible from dragon cruising altitude, long before the dragons were anywhere near in range. Anyway, I liked the episode. Lots of great character moments at Winterfell, a believable way in which the Aegon Targaryan thing is being handled, etc. And I especially like how they’ve been slow-walking the downfall of Daeneris. Losing Ser Jorah was a huge blow, because he helped act as her conscience, and she trusted him more than she now trusts Tyrion, which is pretty much not at all. So she has had all her support taken away from her, including the gentle influence of Missendei. She’s also lost two of her three dragons, and may be feeling that desperate measures are needed. She’s feeling everything she believed in and fought for slipping away from her, and she has been cut off from her entire support system. That makes her very dangerous. The murder of Missandei in front of her may have just pushed her over into mad queen territory. I don’t see how she and Jon Snow can live happily ever after. There’s only one way they both live, and that’s if she gives Jon the north and he becomes king in the north, which now extends a lot further north, and she rules the rest of Westeros. Short of that, one of them has got to go. My money is on Daeneris, or perhaps both. I thought it was very interesting that Gendry was announced to the world as a Baratheon and made a Lord. I think this really opens the door to a situation where there is a bloodbath at the end, and ultimately Gendry Baratheon takes the throne. Whether that will happen or not, I don’t know. But the stage is certainly set, with a new Baratheon on the scene and out of the way while everyone else goes to war. I liked the Arya/Gendry scene. It was very believable. He’s treating her like a lady, and she just wanted to get laid before going off to do some very dark shit. Which is what she’s doing again. It’s always good to see the Arya/Hound show. My money is on an upcoming scene where they go into the Red Keep together with Arya showing him the way through the sewers. They team up to go after Cersei and the Mountain, because after all they will be together. The twist could be that they run into someone on the way and kill him, and Arya uses that face to get close to Cersei. And I do think Jamie is going back to Cersei. In this story he is Achilles and she is his heel. It’s his fatal flaw that will get him killed. I could imagine a scene like this: Arya sneaks around a corner and runs into Jamie. Jamie looks at her and starts to draw his sword… Cut to Cersei somewhere, and Jamie walks in and says, “You’ll never believe who I just ran into.” He walks up to Cersei and she says “Who?” And Jamie pulls off his face and says, “Arya Stark.” And then Arya proceeds to kill Cersei in a very slow, painful way as King’s Landing burns around them. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/122 "2019-05-06T08:06:49Z")
Gendry taking the throne seems like it’d be weird and fanservicey to me. I wouldn’t like it at all. Nor do I think the Lords of Westeros will give a shit about some legitimized Baratheon bastard - it’s not like any of them even give a shit about Robert at this point. It would be too random and unearned for Gendry to end up on top. I’m rooting for Ser Pounce. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/123 "2019-05-06T08:07:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Overall, I liked this episode after a being disappointed in last episode. I wondered if they were going to have Dany go the Mad Queen route - they had obviously (and generally skillfully) been setting it up for a while now,. I don’t think it was skillful. There has been many scenes along the years hinting at Dany being potentially a murderous tyran, but then they were erased by depicting her as such a good person. I don’t really know what was wrong with their approach, because showing that she could be both an arrogant heartless and potentially dangerous tyran, and a ruler very concerned with a well being of the people should be the proper way of handling this, but it didn’t work for me. By the way, the opening scene was the first time in a long while where we’ve seen either Dany or Arya being emotional. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/124 "2019-05-06T08:15:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Gendry taking the throne seems like it’d be weird and fanservicey to me. Fan service, not really, because even though Gendry is liked, Jon and Dany have a much larger fan following. This outcome really wouldn’t be very popular. However, I wouldn’t really like it either. It’s just that if both Danaerys and Jon die, who else could take the throne, on what basis, and even with the support of whom? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/125 "2019-05-06T08:25:00Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I know no one cares, but I was looking over on reddit and noticed [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bl69xk/spoilers_ive_never_watched_a_scene_in_any_show_or/). Essentially, this guy was pissed that the cute little dragon was shot and killed, and now the guy wants Dany to kill everyone. And pretty much everyone else agrees with him. > > This is a good example of my claims that the GoT audience has swelled up to be filled with unsophisticated viewers. > > Dany’s dragons are not cute puppies. To a degree, we sympathize with them because they’re the “children” of one our heroes in the story. But these are wild beasts that murder people. That burn people alive in horrific ways. They are weapons of war. They’ve been used to inflict forceful rule and tyranny on the world. They burn cities to the ground. They are the closest thing that world has to weapons of mass destruction. > > So for the audience reaction to be “awww, they killed the cute little lovable puppy dragon!! I hope their mom LITERALLY BURNS EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD ALIVE” is not only a completely bizarre moral statement but a sure sign of unsophisticated viewers who can’t even understand the difference between a protagonist and a hero, or that having us watch the dragons grow up doesn’t mean they’re not a tool of inflicting great pain and destruction. This is the audience the show has been catering more and more to in the last years as the show reached greater popularity, and this is the audience that isn’t even sophisticated enough to understand that the quality of writing has dropped in recent seasons. I trust you wrote all that while puffing on a pipe You’re partially right in that we as an audience like Rhaegal more than Drogan cause at this point Drogan is an extention of Dany. Hence your ‘weapon of war’ comment. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/126 "2019-05-06T08:27:52Z")
So next ep we hear a dragon roar and Euron looks shocked Wild ass theory #455: The Lord of Light resurrects Rhaegal. Remember all that talk about the Lord of Light pissing off after The Great War has ended? There’s your boon Dany. Talk about your literal Deux Ex Machina. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/127 "2019-05-06T08:31:45Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > That was my initial reaction too. Bronn was too unfriendly to them. But I’m not sure the scene is actually wrong. It’s not just that he was too unfriendly for a supposedly “nice” character (which he definitely isn’t, as you point out). It’s that I fail to see how this approach would get him a castle if any logic was followed. Threatening to kill someone isn’t generally going to be well received. And as soon as he leaves the room, he can be arrested and put in a dungeon, or simply murdered or executed. His attitude really doesn’t make any sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/128 "2019-05-06T08:35:41Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Tyrion says that 8 people know. > > Sam, Bran, Jon, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, and Varys are only seven. They know that Dany knows. Gilly knows. She was the first one to find out. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Let’s get this out of the way first: > > The ballista would never, ever be that effective against a moving target. Try hitting an airplane with one. Good luck. Rhaegon was hit by two or three. The whole bloody fleet was shooting at him, from multiple angles. Which is basically how AAA worked. Mass of shot. Dozens or even hundreds were expended. > [@](#): > > Those might as well be magical machine-ballistas with wildfire exploding tips by the level of destruction they wreaked on a largish ship. So that’s kind of a deux ex machina as far as I’m concerned. Euron’s ships might as well have a magical invisibility cloak as well. A fleet that size would be obviously visible from dragon cruising altitude, long before the dragons were anywhere near in range. Dany needs to see and identify the enemy fleet as hostile. Not so simple. In WW2, it was not unusual for patrol a/c to miss ship formations, despite flying real close. And these are people who were activley looking and were trained and or experienced. See Battle of Capa Matapan, (when Italian A/C lost sight of the RN battle fleet, which then ripped apart Regia Marina cruisers) or the April 1942 Indian Ocean battles (when bith the RN and RAF off Sri Lanka and the Japanese Combined fleet were unable to find each other for long). As for the anti ship operation, meh. Its a transport vessel, in a world without gunpowder. Ships of the line were oak castles, with thick hulls, no reason these ship would be. > [@](#): > > Anyway, I liked the episode. Lots of great character moments at Winterfell, a believable way in which the Aegon Targaryan thing is being handled, etc. And I especially like how they’ve been slow-walking the downfall of Daeneris. Losing Ser Jorah was a huge blow, because he helped act as her conscience, and she trusted him more than she now trusts Tyrion, which is pretty much not at all. > > So she has had all her support taken away from her, including the gentle influence of Missendei. She’s also lost two of her three dragons, and may be feeling that desperate measures are needed. She’s feeling everything she believed in and fought for slipping away from her, and she has been cut off from her entire support system. That makes her very dangerous. The murder of Missandei in front of her may have just pushed her over into mad queen territory. She has alwasy had the Targy sadistic streak in her. The way she killed that witch season 1 or locked that ladyservant and the fat black guy in the locker in season 2. Or fed the good masters to the dragons. She usually attacks unsymphatetic people, but its blinded us to her traits. Niow that she is under pressure, coming out. Expect Kings Lanidng to burn. > [@](#): > > I don’t see how she and Jon Snow can live happily ever after. There’s only one way they both live, and that’s if she gives Jon the north and he becomes king in the north, which now extends a lot further north, and she rules the rest of Westeros. Short of that, one of them has got to go. My money is on Daeneris, or perhaps both. Oh, that alliance is over. > [@](#): > > I thought it was very interesting that Gendry was announced to the world as a Baratheon and made a Lord. I think this really opens the door to a situation where there is a bloodbath at the end, and ultimately Gendry Baratheon takes the throne. Whether that will happen or not, I don’t know. But the stage is certainly set, with a new Baratheon on the scene and out of the way while everyone else goes to war. I have money on him being Cercei’s dead son with Robert. > [@](#): > > I liked the Arya/Gendry scene. It was very believable. He’s treating her like a lady, and she just wanted to get laid before going off to do some very dark shit. Which is what she’s doing again. It’s always good to see the Arya/Hound show. My money is on an upcoming scene where they go into the Red Keep together with Arya showing him the way through the sewers. They team up to go after Cersei and the Mountain, because after all they will be together. Arya is getting annoying now. > [@](#): > > The twist could be that they run into someone on the way and kill him, and Arya uses that face to get close to Cersei. And I do think Jamie is going back to Cersei. In this story he is Achilles and she is his heel. It’s his fatal flaw that will get him killed. > > I could imagine a scene like this: Arya sneaks around a corner and runs into Jamie. Jamie looks at her and starts to draw his sword… Cut to Cersei somewhere, and Jamie walks in and says, “You’ll never believe who I just ran into.” He walks up to Cersei and she says “Who?” And Jamie pulls off his face and says, “Arya Stark.” And then Arya proceeds to kill Cersei in a very slow, painful way as King’s Landing burns around them. That would be a great end. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/129 "2019-05-06T08:36:51Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I think that Jaime needed to get out of there before he changed his mind, and said those things to Brienne to make her hate him and therefore easier for him to go. I don’t think he wants to save Cersei. He didn’t make the decision to go until Bronn told him Cersei wanted him dead and then heard that Cersei was winning. He thought she would die in the war but then realized that might not happen. So he has to make sure it does. He can’t be the good person Brienne believes he is until he settles that score. > > Suburban Plankton beat me to it. 🙂 I considered this possibility, and your guess might be correct, but if it is the case, he should have told Brienne. the only reason why he wouldn’t would be to surprise the viewers later, and it’s too artificial for my tastes. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/130 "2019-05-06T08:41:31Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Gilly knows. She was the first one to find out. > > Rhaegon was hit by two or three. The whole bloody fleet was shooting at him, from multiple angles. Which is basically how AAA worked. Mass of shot. Dozens or even hundreds were expended. > Dany needs to see and identify the enemy fleet as hostile. Not so simple. In WW2, it was not unusual for patrol a/c to miss ship formations, despite flying real close. And these are people who were activley looking and were trained and or experienced. See Battle of Capa Matapan, (when Italian A/C lost sight of the RN battle fleet, which then ripped apart Regia Marina cruisers) or the April 1942 Indian Ocean battles (when bith the RN and RAF off Sri Lanka and the Japanese Combined fleet were unable to find each other for long). > As for the anti ship operation, meh. Its a transport vessel, in a world without gunpowder. Ships of the line were oak castles, with thick hulls, no reason these ship would be. > > She has alwasy had the Targy sadistic streak in her. The way she killed that witch season 1 or locked that ladyservant and the fat black guy in the locker in season 2. Or fed the good masters to the dragons. > She usually attacks unsymphatetic people, but its blinded us to her traits. Niow that she is under pressure, coming out. Expect Kings Lanidng to burn. > > Oh, that alliance is over. > I have money on him being Cercei’s dead son with Robert. > Arya is getting annoying now. > That would be a great end. There is 0 chance that Deux Ex Machinarya gets Cersei AND the NK. More likely Qyburn or The Mountain kills her at the last second and Qyburn pulls off her mask so he can give that Qyburn “Hmmmmmm” look. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/131 "2019-05-06T08:47:01Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Bit tough to demand someone else live a lie, IMO. Dude just learns a massive secret about his lineage and demanding he doesn’t tell anyone else is asking for trouble. Seems completely unrealistic to indicate someone just keep their mouth shut about something that big. We’re talking about a Stark, at least by upbringing. With Ned as role-model. “You need to say you’re the Targaryen heir, or the night king will win and everybody will die” “I wish I could but I promised I wouldn’t. I’m sorry for the ten millions dead, but obviously I can’t break my oath.” ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/132 "2019-05-06T10:16:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > … > > At first I thought that this doesn’t feel right. The climax of Jamie and Brienne’s relationship was the knighting seen. There hasn’t been an undercurrent of sexual tension between them… there was… morality and honor tension. Her vouching for him, and him knighting her was the perfect completion of their arc. Having them have sex seemed unnecessary and a little off, tone wise. > > … Brienne developed a crush on Jaime, after she got over her even bigger crush on Renly. She’s always been the quintessential Ugly Duckling (her nickname Brienne The Beauty is a cruel mockery) so having a handsome knight so much as notice her, let alone bed her, is sorta like Brad Pitt or George Clooney calling me up for a shag. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/133 "2019-05-06T11:04:18Z")
Ive only recently caught up and so haven’t been following these threads. What does everyone think of Jaime and Brienne hooking up? I would have preferred the relationship remain platonic. I would have said brother/sister relationship but, well… ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/134 "2019-05-06T11:59:28Z")
Did anyone notice the Starbucks cup in front of Dany during the victory feast? > **[Sharp-Eyed ‘Game Of Thrones’ Viewers Just Spotted A HUGE Mistake](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup_n_5ccfeb7fe4b04e275d4ca2da)** > > Fans noticed a major continuity error in Sunday night's episode. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/135 "2019-05-06T12:05:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I could imagine a scene like this: Arya sneaks around a corner and runs into Jamie. Jamie looks at her and starts to draw his sword… Cut to Cersei somewhere, and Jamie walks in and says, “You’ll never believe who I just ran into.” He walks up to Cersei and she says “Who?” And Jamie pulls off his face and says, “Arya Stark.” Almost perfect–but when the mask comes off, the line should be, “Jamie Lannister.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/136 "2019-05-06T12:17:36Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Did anyone notice the Starbucks cup in front of Dany during the victory feast? > > [Sharp-Eyed ‘Game Of Thrones’ Viewers Just Spotted A HUGE Mistake | HuffPost Entertainment](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup_n_5ccfeb7fe4b04e275d4ca2da) Starkbucks. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/137 "2019-05-06T12:45:46Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Did anyone notice the Starbucks cup in front of Dany during the victory feast? > > [Sharp-Eyed ‘Game Of Thrones’ Viewers Just Spotted A HUGE Mistake | HuffPost Entertainment](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup_n_5ccfeb7fe4b04e275d4ca2da) I’m convinced this is creative advertising. I find it hard to believe everyone missed that in filming and post production. Notice the link described the cup as a Starbucks cup not a generic coffee cup. Even the link headline is written as classic clickbait. Everyone is a winner here - Starbucks, HBO’ s bank balance and numerous online sites such as HuffPo. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/138 "2019-05-06T13:03:25Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Rhaegon was hit by two or three. The whole bloody fleet was shooting at him, from multiple angles. Which is basically how AAA worked. Mass of shot. Dozens or even hundreds were expended. AAA worked by shooting a bunch of exploding shells in the path of bomber formations using radar to determine range and bearing. And bombers could easily avoid flak by changing direction every minute or so because it took several minutes for the shells to reach their cruising altitude. The show is having us believe that a battery of medieval ballista, fired from rolling and pitching ships decks, can fire bolts capable of scoring multiple hits at a moving target several thousand feet in the air. All this while remaining undetected by two dragons, because the fleet happens to be out of the camera’s field of view. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/139 "2019-05-06T13:04:32Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > The show is having us believe that a battery of medieval ballista, fired from rolling and pitching ships decks, can fire bolts capable of scoring multiple hits at a moving target several thousand feet in the air. All this while remaining undetected by two dragons, because the fleet happens to be out of the camera’s field of view. The writers are definitely moving into Walking Dead levels of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524/140 "2019-05-06T13:25:17Z")
The correct title for this episode should of course be “3 hands, no rules” [SNL cold open: The Avengers vs. Game of Thrones on Family Feud - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2019/5/5/18530027/snl-cold-open-family-feud-game-of-thrones-avengers). Bronn was here to remind us that those who get to be in charge are those really, really good at killing lotsa people. Not the good guys. Not the best rulers. And by no means necessarily those with the “right” to rule. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-04-the-last-of-the-starks-5-5-2019-show-discussion/833524.md?page=8)