# Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869 "2019-05-12T22:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/261 "2019-05-13T18:46:45Z")
The cinematography in this episode was incredible, and the dragons some of the best fantastic creature cgi I’ve seen in anything. The actors were giving their all with the Hound and Arya as highlights. Too bad the writing and script couldn’t be better or this episode could have been an all time great. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/262 "2019-05-13T18:47:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sexual frustration after being denied by her nephew. Gal needs to learn to masturbate. A nice hitachi wand or ivory pleasure rod could have saved thousands of lives. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/263 "2019-05-13T18:52:00Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > She did tall Greyworm to go forward with his attack-- he’ll know when. I think torching the people was a pretty good sign. Wasn’t that referring to the doorway exploding all over the Golden-brown Company? > [@](#): > > Also, what did Dany say to Greyworm before he tossed Miss Sunday’s belt in the fire? That the collar was her only possession, the only thing she brought across the Narrow Sea. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/264 "2019-05-13T18:52:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m not sure she was sure in her own mind she was going to go all Blood and Fire before the battle. But I think that in the heat of the moment (pun intended) she snapped emotionally. > > This was really laid out earlier in her conversation with Jon. She’s given up hope that the Westerosi will ever love her, so she must rule by fear. And burning the city will certainly put fear into anyone who survives. > > She’s also realized, I think, that when this is all over she will have to eliminate Jon. When he doesn’t reciprocate her kiss, she understands she’s lost him. She no longer cares about his opinion. As long as he lives, he will be a threat to her rule, so if she takes the throne he’s toast. Was the pun in the last bit intended as well? I agree that Jon is a dead man walking. Tyrion might have the sense to slip away, but Jon doesn’t have the sense that god gave a goose, so he’ll walk straight up to her and tell her she needs to step down because she’s crazy. And he’ll probably be just as surprised the second time he is killed as he was the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/265 "2019-05-13T18:54:19Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I assumed they would be sent by ravens to the main lords of Westeros. I believe that the messenger ravens are trained and maintained by maesters. We’ve seen neither maesters nor ravens at Dragonstone. Not a major issue, since someone like Varys could probably find someone to smuggle them out. I’m going to bet that that scene meant that he did get some out, and in the final episode we’ll see some of the kingdoms go over to Jon instead of Danaerys based on that information. But that might be superfluous since they would probably prefer him anyway regardless of ancestry. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/266 "2019-05-13T18:55:41Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > She did tall Greyworm to go forward with his attack-- he’ll know when. I think torching the people was a pretty good sign. > > Also, what did Dany say to Greyworm before he tossed Miss Sunday’s belt in the fire? Was that some “burn it all down” foreshadowing there? Because Grey Worm sure seemed to be itching for some massacreing as well. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/267 "2019-05-13T18:57:26Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > She did tall Greyworm to go forward with his attack-- he’ll know when. I think torching the people was a pretty good sign. That was to start the attack when she took down the walls from behind the Golden Company. > [@](#): > > Also, what did Dany say to Greyworm before he tossed Miss Sunday’s belt in the fire? “This is the only thing she brought from Essos” I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/268 "2019-05-13T18:58:56Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Also, what did Dany say to Greyworm before he tossed Miss Sunday’s belt in the fire? > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > That the collar was her only possession, the only thing she brought across the Narrow Sea. Right. It was her [slave collar](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130401035845/gameofthrones/images/1/14/Missandei_season_3_ep_1.jpg) that Dany had freed her from. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/269 "2019-05-13T18:59:32Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Gal needs to learn to masturbate. A nice hitachi wand or ivory pleasure rod could have saved thousands of lives. Only a “massager” made of dragonglass can satisfy the Queen of Dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/270 "2019-05-13T19:01:06Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > He said at the Trident. Ah, I misremembered the line. However, it’s the same place. The Ruby Ford is where the Kingsroad crosses the Trident, which based on the maps is further from King’s Landing than The Wall is long, and The Wall is roughly 100 leagues long. I’m eyeballing it at around 1.3x longer, so 130 leagues which depending on exactly what a league is (3 nautical miles in our world, usually, but who knows in Westeros) is 400-450 miles. For comparison, that’s twice as far as Stamford Bridge to Hastings, and Harold took a lot longer than 2 days repositioning his army to face the invading Normans. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/271 "2019-05-13T19:04:27Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > Early on, she wanted to be the king’s wife, I think, more than she wanted to be queen. Of course, she has been thought a lot, and changed a lot. > > Now, I am not so sure. She certainly seems comfortable being the queen of the North, who says she doesn’t want the whole enchillada? Sansa is not Queen in the North. She is standing as Lady of Winterfell in Bran’s stead while he is busy being Three Eyed Raven. Technically, Bran is the rightful heir to Winterfell and Jon only held power when they thought that both Bran and Rickon were dead. Now Rickon _is_ dead and Bran refuses to take his rightful place since he is all Raven-y. Jon remains King in the North in the eyes of the Northmen, that is why the North is particiapting in the war. They are following thier king, Jon, not Dani. Sansa even straight up told Dani that the North had no intention of bending the knee to her if she took the Iron Throne or not. Whoever wins, other than Jon, will have to still deal with the fact that the North has already seceded from the 7 Kingdoms and reasserted its independance from King’s Landing. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/272 "2019-05-13T19:11:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I believe that the messenger ravens are trained and maintained by maesters. We’ve seen neither maesters nor ravens at Dragonstone. > > Not a major issue, since someone like Varys could probably find someone to smuggle them out. I’m going to bet that that scene meant that he did get some out, and in the final episode we’ll see some of the kingdoms go over to Jon instead of Danaerys based on that information. But that might be superfluous since they would probably prefer him anyway regardless of ancestry. Daenerys will likely be assassinated. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/273 "2019-05-13T19:15:52Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Daenerys will likely be assassinated. Tell me something I don’t know.😉 But there will be some more dramatic tension built up before then with people flocking to Jon. Dany won’t survive the final episode, but they’re not going to kill her off in the first five minutes either. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/274 "2019-05-13T19:21:56Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Tell me something I don’t know.😉 > > But there will be some more dramatic tension built up before then with people flocking to Jon. Dany won’t survive the final episode, but they’re not going to kill her off in the first five minutes either. I actually think it will be fairly early, because while it might feel that her death should be conclusion what happens after is what’s really important. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/275 "2019-05-13T19:28:46Z")
A moment that I thought was unintentionally funny was when The Mountain put the kibosh on Qyburn and Cercei was all suddenly, 'You smell that? I think I left the stove on. 'Scuse me. . ." and scampered around The Hound. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/276 "2019-05-13T19:29:19Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Sansa is not Queen in the North. She is standing as Lady of Winterfell in Bran’s stead while he is busy being Three Eyed Raven. Technically, Bran is the rightful heir to Winterfell and Jon only held power when they thought that both Bran and Rickon were dead. Now Rickon _is_ dead and Bran refuses to take his rightful place since he is all Raven-y. Jon remains King in the North in the eyes of the Northmen, that is why the North is particiapting in the war. They are following thier king, Jon, not Dani. Sansa even straight up told Dani that the North had no intention of bending the knee to her if she took the Iron Throne or not. Whoever wins, other than Jon, will have to still deal with the fact that the North has already seceded from the 7 Kingdoms and reasserted its independance from King’s Landing. Jon renounced being King in the North when he took the knee. I believe he is now Warden of the North. > [@RickJay](#): > > Daenerys will likely be assassinated. Daenerys will climb up on Drogon to burn Jon, Tyrion and anyone else we care about when suddenly Drogon pulls off his face and it’s Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/277 "2019-05-13T19:30:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Daenerys will likely be assassinated. I don’t think it will be that easy. I almost am certain Bran will warg Drogan to remove him from the equation…who knows maybe he runs her and him into a mountain…or has him fly as high as he can (Maybe Dany even knows whats happening and says “Bran?..do it.” as she realizes all she’s done) My biggest worry is how Clarke will play mad Dany without it being tropish. It’s not easy. She did great in the little we saw her in that mode last night. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/278 "2019-05-13T19:33:59Z")
I think there’s a possibility that Daeneris will die of her own hubris. For example, she could decide that Winterfell has to be destroyed because it’s the seat of power in the North and the North won’t bend the knee. So against everyone’s pleas she gets on Drogon and heads north bent on destruction - only Bran and the old gods have a say, and she doesn’t come out alive. That way, none of the ‘good’ people have to murder someone who has been beloved on the show until now, and it follows the greek tragedy of hubris leading to nemesis. But I still think Arya will kill her in some surprising way. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/279 "2019-05-13T19:38:05Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > My biggest worry is how Clarke will play mad Dany without it being tropish. It’s not easy. She did great in the little we saw her in that mode last night. She does have really good crazy eyes. So wounded and wrathful and long-suffering at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/280 "2019-05-13T19:38:39Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But I still think Arya will kill her in some surprising way. Arya’s whole experience in King’s Landing certainly sets it up that she will try. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=15)