# Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869 "2019-05-12T22:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/341 "2019-05-14T02:44:22Z")
I guess queen’s flying beats king’s landing. I was kind of wondering whose plot armor would break first - Jamie, Arya, Jon, the Hound… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/342 "2019-05-14T02:48:35Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This is a gross oversimplification. What actualloy happened to Daeneris since coming to King’s Landing: > > - She fell in love with a man who turned out to be a secret Targaryan and who had not just a better claim to the throne, but more popularity with the population. > > - That man distracted her from the reason she came to King’s Landing, and talked her into taking her army north, where half of them and one of her dragons were killed and her trusted advisor and protector Jorah Mormont is also killed. > > - After that major sacrifice, the people at Winterfell hardly noticed her, and kept declaring Jon to be king. Some of them, like Sansa, are openly hostile to her even though she saved them. > > - The man she loved revealed that he’s her nephew, and for that reason was not going to remain with her. That means if he’s King she’s the Queen of nothing. > > - She goes home to Dragonstone, still willing to fight alongside the north and keep up her end of the bargain, but she gets ambushed and loses another dragon (remember, the dragons are essentially children to her. So she’s had two of her own children killed. Cersei went mad for similar reasons. > > - She then gets to watch as her beloved Missandei is murdered in front of her. And this happened because her trusted hand Tyrion, who used to be so wise, keeps making tacticall blunders that just happen to benefit his own people and hurt Daeneris. > > - Her other advisor, Varys, is caught openly plotting to kill her. Excellent list. The one thing I’ll add is that Missandei’s final word was “Drakkaris,” or however you spell the word that tells a dragon, “Burn this motherfucker to ashes.” I found her decision–especially the strafing of innocents–to be initially jarring. But the more I think about it, the more in keeping with her it is to decide to turn King’s Landing into a horrific example to any who would oppose her. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/343 "2019-05-14T03:04:09Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > Am I the only one seriously annoyed by Tyrion? From smartest guy in Kings Landing to dumbest fuck in 7 kingdoms. why is he dumb? His plan worked perfectly. The bells rung, Dany won. The people were saved. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/344 "2019-05-14T03:10:19Z")
This show leans super goddamn hard into everyone’s fatal flaw. Tyrion’s fatal flaw is that he sees the good in people, and believes they’ll live up to it. Cersei loves her children. Dany wants what’s best for the common people. However wise Tyrion is, he’s blind to this fault, and it’s killing everyone. I keep hearing complaints about how characters are acting out of characters. If you watch the show through the lens of, “these characters are all going to destroy everything with their signature flaw,” it makes so much more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/345 "2019-05-14T03:35:24Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Jon probably will pass sentence on Dany. But to permit the audience to see Jon as having nobility and goodness and clean hands, the actual instrument of Dany’s death will be Drogon: Jon will pass sentence, Dany will say “oh, really? Drogon, fry him,” and Drogon-----recognizing the True Blood and Rightful Ruler-----will fry Daenerys instead of Jon. > > Because that will permit the audience to take pleasure in how noble and good and clean-handed Jon is, while satisfying the bloodlust to see Dany not only dead, but humiliated (by having her ‘child’ turn on her). I don’t think Dany can burn, but I do think that she will attempt to have Drogon burn Jon, but with the dragon refusing to do so. Jon, after all, is a Targaryen. At this point, I think she will redeem herself by giving up her claim. Jon will show mercy and some equitable arrangement will be made. Of course, leaving open the possibility of a sequel. Way too much money here to not at least leave an opening. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/346 "2019-05-14T03:56:02Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … A HORSE…oh, the wonder of it, the astonishment of it, the absolute MIRACLE of it! Where where you when I was all alone saying it wasn’t a Book of Revelation reference but a Mel Brooks reference? > [@HammerJoe](#): > > Was annoyed with Jaime comes about Euron and how the battle unfolds… He gets stabbed twice and hes fine all the way to meet Cersei. > [@Smid](#): > > Jamie has a gut stab… _Euron_ has a gut stab, IIRC Jaime has 30cm deep punctures through each lung. Eh, just a flesh wound. > [@Quercus\_alba](#): > > Prove me wrong. 🙂 Well, for one thing, your ending is plausible, smart, entertaining, and satisfying, guaranteeing there’s no way in hell. Every shred of sympathy a viewer has ever had for any character must be destroyed alongside those poor actors’ careers. Some characters have yet to have that dramatic personality shift where absolutely nothing they do makes a shred of sense in the context of the 8 seasons of television that came before. The only thing left now is for Sansa to pretext seducing Tyrion in order to commit a murder-suicide, Jon Snow to kick a direwolf then assassinate the Stark siblings in their sleep, then for Ser Davos to mace Jon to death and gloat “I am the greatest there ever was!” over his spasming corpse. Bizzarro-Westeros finally will have a new King. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Could have used a little less waiting for the bells to ring. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > So who ordered the bells to be rung? Jaime hadn’t met Cersei to tell her. > [@AnalogSignal](#): > > I think the reason Dany went berserk is someone messed up her Starbucks order in the last episode. They brought her a mochachino instead of a latte. The audible chant of “Ring the bell! Ring the bell!” across King’s Landing for a full 90 second pause in the fighting sorta made the bell-ringing unnecessary IMO. Maybe the bell eventually being rung was Taco Bell placement. At your door in 30 minutes or I throw a hysterical tantrum and destroy my own seat of government and subjects. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > So my one confusion was how did that many Dothraki survive? Enough to be distracting, yes. And a third of them riding white horses, natch. It seems everytime some show gets to this level of hype, there are always elements that accomplish nothing but test credulity. > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Bronn…we’ve decided to give you Kings Landing. 😃 Not having witnessed the destruction and filled with dreams of drunken orgies in the Red Keep, Bronn solemnly kneels before Tyrion and swears his eternal loyalty. > [@HammerJoe](#): > > To be honest I forgot why Cleghorne hated his brother so the fight altough interesting seemed empty to me. No point whatsoever to it. _Cleghorne_ LOL They’re unable to hold the story together for viewers, either through words or actions. That’s why I have been warning viewers they will be shocked in the finale when Queen Twill is crowned. Who the fuck is Queen Twill? …Exactly. > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I didn’t see it noted by anyone else, but the backstory for the Hound and the Mountain is that the Hound’s face was half burned off because his big brother, the Mountain, shoved his head in a fire when they were kids. …and Gregor aka The Mountain is now also a completely loyal zombie conjured by that guy he kills chucking down the staircase before completely ignoring orders for the first time ever and afterwards letting lets Cersei scoot down the stairs past the guy who just dispatched 4 of her armed and armored guards in 7 seconds while watching 14 steps above. Not to be distracted, Sandor barely acknowledges it. Your comments and snappy rejoinders _are_ helping me work through the disappointment though, so thanks. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/347 "2019-05-14T04:08:21Z")
[From my twitter feed:](https://twitter.com/scottlynch78/status/1128053740643028992) > [@](#): > > Season 8, Ep. 6: > > EVERYONE: Hey, Drogon, where’s Danaerys? Or Jon? > > DROGON: NO IDEA. DROGON KING NOW. > > EVERYONE: what > > DROGON: DROGON SPEAK YOUR STUPID LANGUAGE THIS WHOLE TIME. NOW MAKE METAL CHAIR BIGGER FOR DROGON. BRING DROGON SHEEP AND ALE! > > TYRION: I can work with this. My wife is hearing this in Cookie Monster’s voice, while I’ve been hearing Mongo. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/348 "2019-05-14T04:39:21Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I sure hope no one clicked that assuming it was a joke. I did. I didn’t expect it would be an actual spoiler. In fact I still believed it was a joke after reading it. And when it looked like people were taking it seriously, I couldn’t help but google it (but of course this one is on me). The spoiler still appear in this post, where it is quoted : [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21639795&postcount=211](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21639795&postcount=211) Should probably be deleted there too. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/349 "2019-05-14T05:01:28Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I don’t think Dany can burn, but I do think that she will attempt to have Drogon burn Jon, but with the dragon refusing to do so. Jon, after all, is a Targaryen. At this point, I think she will redeem herself by giving up her claim. Jon will show mercy and some equitable arrangement will be made. Of course, leaving open the possibility of a sequel. Way too much money here to not at least leave an opening. Having her last “child” rubbing his head amorously against Jon instead when ordered to burn him would be the ultimate treason. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/350 "2019-05-14T05:07:34Z")
People have mentioned a “previously on game of thrones” scene where Danaerys is hearing voices. It wasn’t included in the French broadcast and I’d like to watch it. Would anybody have a link to it? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/351 "2019-05-14T05:22:36Z")
Great observation by Chris Ryan on the Watch podcast: “GoT has become its own Wikipedia synopsis.” He thinks where they have arrived is where Martin intended, but they didn’t have enough time to really do it right–so they just hit all the main points very briefly and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/352 "2019-05-14T05:31:00Z")
All of you realize the only possible way for this hot mess of a series to conclude is for Jon Snow to kill Daenrys and then either take the Iron Throne or do something ridiculous like giving it to Sansa, right? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/353 "2019-05-14T07:09:47Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Excellent list. The one thing I’ll add is that Missandei’s final word was “Drakkaris,” or however you spell the word that tells a dragon, “Burn this motherfucker to ashes.” > > I found her decision–especially the strafing of innocents–to be initially jarring. But the more I think about it, the more in keeping with her it is to decide to turn King’s Landing into a horrific example to any who would oppose her. I haven’t rewatched, but when the bells ring and Dany pauses, is there any kind of callback to when Missandei said “Dracarys” before her extreme haircut? Did Drogon destroy the wall Missandei was executed on at the start of the battle? If not, maybe Dany heard the bells, stopped to look around, the spot where Missandei was killed catches her eye and she goes nuts? Is that possible? > [@Biggirl](#): > > why is he dumb? His plan worked perfectly. The bells rung, Dany won. The people were saved. His plan didn’t work in any way, shape, or form. (Jaime never reached Cersei in the Keep.) No plan was needed: Drogon torched a bunch of troops and then the rest of them clamored to surrender with the bells all on their own. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Jon probably will pass sentence on Dany. But to permit the audience to see Jon as having nobility and goodness and clean hands, the actual instrument of Dany’s death will be Drogon Didn’t that ship sail when Jon hanged a child at the wall? Sure, the kid murdered him, but still, _he hanged a child._ What Dany has done is far worse than what that kid did, and if Jon passes a sentence but fails to carry it out himself that would be a betrayal of everything his character is about. That would leave him with “dirtier hands” than actually lopping Dany’s head off would. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/354 "2019-05-14T08:02:50Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I haven’t rewatched, but when the bells ring and Dany pauses, is there any kind of callback to when Missandei said “Dracarys” before her extreme haircut? Did Drogon destroy the wall Missandei was executed on at the start of the battle? If not, maybe Dany heard the bells, stopped to look around, the spot where Missandei was killed catches her eye and she goes nuts? Is that possible? Are you asking if there wa any form of inciting incident that would explain her mindset at the moment? No. No, there wasn’t. It was a cheap soap opera heel turn. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/355 "2019-05-14T08:16:09Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > All of you realize the only possible way for this hot mess of a series to conclude is for Jon Snow to kill Daenrys and then either take the Iron Throne or do something ridiculous like giving it to Sansa, right? I reckon Gendry is going to get it. No other reason why the writers would make Dany legitimise him. As the (now) true born son of the last rightful king he has the best claim, assuming Jon doesn’t want it. I’ve also got a nasty feeling that Arya will kill Daenerys while wearing someone else’s face and Jon kills her by mistake, but I’m always wrong about these things. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/356 "2019-05-14T09:24:44Z")
If you don’t need to see one hour of buildings being razed and innocents getting slaughtered here is the synopisis for the final confrontation (feel the antecipaton): Cersei: "The Red Keep has stood unbreached for a thousand years. I laugh in the face of their puny threats! Let them bring their worst Daenerys: “Drakarys”. Cersei: “Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit…” ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/357 "2019-05-14T09:26:49Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Do you all think that Dany gave Grey Worm orders to not break off the attack? Looks to me like he just snapped all on his own, but he could have been following her orders, and the look on his face may have been distaste at having to act so, followed by resolve to follow through. I don’t think so. I suppose that when he saw that Danny was killing everybody, he understood it was open season. No need for orders. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/358 "2019-05-14T09:35:45Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > If you don’t need to see one hour of buildings being razed and innocents getting slaughtered here is the synopisis for the final confrontation (feel the antecipaton): > > Cersei: "The Red Keep has stood unbreached for a thousand years. I laugh in the face of their puny threats! Let them bring their worst > > Daenerys: “Drakarys”. > > Cersei: “Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit…” Cersei: “She’s coming here! Brace yours- Oh, no, wait, she’s stopping to burn some peasants.” Daenerys: “Burn, innocent women and children, burn!” Cersei: “Oh no! Now she really is coming! Oh, God, she destroyed the East Tower in seconds! We’re next! We’re going to- oh, wait. She left. She’s going back to burn some more peasants.” Danerys: “Hahahaha! I love the smell of roasting children in the morning!” Cersei: “Um. Qyburn? How many peasants are there? I mean, she seems to have completely forgotten about us. Anybody up for pizza?” ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/359 "2019-05-14T09:40:06Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > All of you realize the only possible way for this hot mess of a series to conclude is for Jon Snow to kill Daenrys and then either take the Iron Throne or do something ridiculous like giving it to Sansa, right? Well, no. Plenty of people could kill Danaerys. Arya and Jon are the most likely to do so, but I could see Tyrion doing it. Or Sansa using the KL massacre as a justification to organize some plot resulting in Danny’s demise. Less likely : Bran. Really not likely, Sam. Her dragon killing her is a possibility if she were to have a fight with Jon. I had envisioned Grey Worm, but he seemed all too happy to shed blood, so he probably have no moral qualms about what happened. An anymous avenging the massacre of his family (not likely), or a mob tearing her to pieces could be possible too. I think it would be very fitting, in fact, in contrast with the crowd cheering her at the end of I can’t remember which season. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/360 "2019-05-14T09:42:51Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Didn’t that ship sail when Jon hanged a child at the wall? Sure, the kid murdered him, but still, _he hanged a child._ As far as I can tell, most viewers cheered at this hanging. Not because he had stabbed Jon but because he had killed Ygritte. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=19)