# Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869 "2019-05-12T22:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/41 "2019-05-13T02:42:03Z")
I’m going to repeat my horrific “prediction” from last week…part of it kind of came true… > [@](#): > > have Dany go “mad Queen” and become a crazy vengeance-fueled maniac? She insists they attack the city, killing all the innocents along the way, like a total wipeout type thing. Jon Snow realizes this is insane and agrees to take her out, something Tyrion and Varys are clearly thinking might be necessary. > > Cue dramatic scene: Jon tells Dany she must stop and turn back. “You’re tearing me apart, Dany!” or something like that. She doesn’t care. John has to kill Dany in order to stop her from wiping out a bunch of innocents. > > Someone else kills Cercei and her hand(and Euron or whatever his name is). John is clearly the one to become king. > > But…he turns it down! “I never wanted it! I won’t take it.” He heads to the far North, leaving Westeros. > > Tyrion or Sansa becomes king/queen, though I think Tyrion is more likely since Sansa has betrayed John. > OK, so I made all that up, but it requires them to totally ruin Dany, a character they spent the entire show building up to be good(and sane!). So yeah, they are going to ruin Dany. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/42 "2019-05-13T02:42:12Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I dunno man, I was bored the entire episode. > > I wish Jaime had been going to kill Cersei. What’s his arc now? Clegane bowl was lame, especially with the music at the death. Scorpions sure have different effectiveness from episode to episode, eh? > > Dany going Mad Queen was pretty obvious, but it seems like her destruction of the city was a bit over the top, no? Jaime and (probably) Cersei are dead. I was mad that Jaime went back, but I think that last scene completed his arc nicely. He didn’t go bad on us, but he did go back to Cersei and had what I thought was the most touching moment you can get in an incest storyline. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/43 "2019-05-13T02:42:47Z")
Bronn…we’ve decided to give you Kings Landing. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/44 "2019-05-13T02:44:05Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I wish Jaime had been going to kill Cersei. What’s his arc now? That he tried his best to be a good person, but couldn’t shake his love for Cersei. Feels more real than some ‘arc’ idea where he kills that love. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/45 "2019-05-13T02:45:02Z")
Dany has been murdering prisoners for seasons now. She was never good and sane (completely). ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/46 "2019-05-13T02:46:07Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > That he tried his best to be a good person, but couldn’t shake his love for Cersei. Feels more real than some ‘arc’ idea where he kills that love. Knowing what Cersei’s done, killing that love is the obvious sensical thing. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/47 "2019-05-13T02:48:00Z")
LOL,\*\* Dale Sams \*\* Bronn will be thrilled. Someone else had it called from a while back: Queen of Nothing and Ashes. And \*\*Gorsnak \*\*is right, resistance to having a whole building dropped on you or your ship blasted apart seems to be bred into these noble houses. So who knows who could be seen slinking around the background in the finale. The thing to see I suppose is how Dany reacts if half her remaining army now says, “um… y’know what? We’re heading back North now to mind our own business while you mind yours, was good knowing ya”… ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/48 "2019-05-13T02:48:58Z")
Up until the bell ringing, it was all military targets. Wonder how the scorpions went from super fast firing and deadly to slow loading and useless. Dany could have certainly just headed for the keep, but she made the mad king look like a paragon of sanity. If she is queen, it is queen of ashes. I guess we see that dragonfire affects stone, but damn! (and the wildfire certainly didn’t help) FYI, close captioning says the woman who helped Arya get up was named Nora. Will Jon, or perhaps Arya, kill Dany? I don’t see how Jon accepts her now, even with his lawful stupidity. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/49 "2019-05-13T02:49:12Z")
That was horrific. 90 minutes of that was too much. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/50 "2019-05-13T02:50:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I don’t normally attack storytelling choices, but Dany’s actions were out of character. I know they were building to this, but it doesn’t make sense to wait for the surrender, hear the surrender and then just decide, “You know I think I’ll just kill so indiscriminately that even my own army retreats from me.” I think she just told them what they wanted to hear, Grey Worm did not look like he gave a fuck when Tyrion told him to cancel the attack if they heard the bells. > [@adaher](#): > > Varys was out of character as well. Very unlike him to leave himself vulnerable to getting snitched on. Old Varys would never have confided in Tyrion unless he knew it was where Tyrion already wanted to go. I think he just sacrificed himself to push Tyrion over the edge, dude like him had to know the way things worked and now Sansa has eliminated both Tyrion and Varys. Varys dead and Tyrion pretty much on her hit list for releasing Jaime. I would say that Littlefinger did his job well. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/51 "2019-05-13T02:53:09Z")
So, lets say Jon or Arya or whoever kills Dany next episode. The Unsullied + Dothraki are the most powerful force in the Seven Kingdoms (probably?). Do they somehow die too? Fuck off back to Essos? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/52 "2019-05-13T02:54:32Z")
I knew there was a much less than zero probability of what happened happening, but I really did not think that would happen. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/53 "2019-05-13T02:56:12Z")
“Hundreds will die!” “Thousands.” Dany: “Nahh…you don’t even have to hold my beer. Drogan comes with a drink holder.” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/54 "2019-05-13T03:00:29Z")
I love how loyal Qyburn actually was, Cersei actually looked sad when he died. And that moment when she allows him to take her hand and lead her away was rather sweet. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/55 "2019-05-13T03:02:38Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Knowing what Cersei’s done, killing that love is the obvious sensical thing. Nah. People love terrible people all the time, even when they know they shouldn’t. TBH, I actually preferred it this way than some pat redemption character arc. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/56 "2019-05-13T03:04:45Z")
I bet there are a lot of moms really regretting naming their kid Khaleesi right about now. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/57 "2019-05-13T03:06:15Z")
Towards the end there Dany was pretty indiscriminate on who she was burning. Jon had to have his men retreat from the Red Keep because she burned that fucker to the ground and her Dorthraki troops were supposedly in there. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/58 "2019-05-13T03:08:49Z")
Loved the last bit from _Previously, on Game of Thrones_ where Mad Dany had all those voices in her head. Recaps aren’t usually that creative. If Jaime and Cersei are dead, as I suspect they are, I’m pissed. Cersei needed killin’ up close and personal. I was hoping that Jaime would snap her slender little neck. But no, he couldn’t move past his twincest. Loved Cleganebowl. And when the Hound finally told Arya _Ok, kid, enough’s enough!_ Figured we’d see Yara, but I guess there wasn’t any point. Did Varys ever send his messages? If so, I guess everybody knows that Jon’s the rightful heir now. Dragon or not, the North and the Real North will never accept Dany. But I think Arya and Jon will take Daenerys out. I wonder if the bursts of wildfire we saw are only to remind us about it. Good way to get rid of a bunch of worrisome Dothraki and Unsullied. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/59 "2019-05-13T03:09:50Z")
Boy that was disappointing, IMO. Great performances, production, and music, as always, but the writing was just not good. In past seasons the giant moments, when something surprising or momentous happened, it usually felt earned. It didn’t feel that way to me for this episode, aside from maybe Cleganebowl. If they needed Dany to go nuts, they could have set it up much better in the moment. There was no trigger - the battle is a slaughter in her favor, and then the bells ring, and then she decides in that moment, with no discernible immediate motivating event, to burn innocents. The Euron Jaime fight was pointless, as were the Arya scenes. Arya had spent seasons and seasons deadening herself to decency and kindness, to kill without qualm, and all of a sudden she decides to be heroic to strangers. And Jaime spends seasons upon seasons showing an evolution towards decency, and he abandons all of that, even his concern for innocent lives, to die with Cersei. Very disappointing writing, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/60 "2019-05-13T03:11:34Z")
You know, if your entire intent in life is to sit on the Iron Throne, burying it under a hundred feet of fused rubble is not the brightest decision. :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=4)