# Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869 "2019-05-12T22:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/641 "2019-05-16T15:58:40Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Sarcasm aside, it is pretty obvious that “Dragonfire can do N things” was not a deliberate writing choice. They just thought of what shots would look cool, and failed to notice any inconsistency. I only wish that were sarcastic. Your analysis of the writers of the show borders on the ludicrous, both because who cares about your beliefs of their work habits, and also because your beliefs are almost certainly incorrect. Discussion of the show itself is interesting. Your snide insults about the show’s creators are dumb and irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/642 "2019-05-16T16:01:43Z")
Any dragon worth his salt should be able to selective fire that stuff. It would suck if you just wanted to roast a lamb or a Lannister for supper and instead blew up a mountainside. For that matter, if your master asked you to burn someone, you’d better not blow up the whole castle doing it. So dragons, careful with that breath! ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/643 "2019-05-16T16:02:17Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > … > I just don’t think the writers did anything to _earn_ our credulity when she decided to set King’s Landing on fire even after the battle was won. > > But maybe I’m taking too rosy a view. Let’s look at some of the bad stuff she did and see if it in any way foreshadows her decision to _burn tens of thousands of innocent children alive_ > > 1). Killed Mirri Maz Duur - Mirri Maz Duur promised to bring Khal Drogo back from the dead. Instead, she brought him back as a vegetable and sacrificed Daenerys’s unborn child to do it, knowing it would leave her barren. All this after Daenerys has done her best to protect her. Don’t tell me that bitch didn’t have it coming. > > 2). She wasn’t visibly upset when Drogo killed Viserys - Well, given that Viserys had sexually and emotionally abused her since childhood and forced her to marry Khal Drogo, saying _”I’d let his whole tribe fuck you, all forty thousand men and their horses too if that what it takes”_, I don’t think I’m being overly charitable if I forgive her for not crying salty tears into her wine cup when Drogo got rid of him, especially since he’d threatened to cut her baby out of her literally two minutes earlier. > > 3). She burned the Warlocks in the House of the Undying - Well, they _had_ stolen her dragons and were actively trying to kill her. > > 4). She shut Xaro Xoan Daxos and Doreah in the vault and left them to die - They’d murdered Irri and Jhiqui and stolen her dragons. Again, they got theirs. > > 5). She burned the slavers at Astapor - Big deal. They were slavers who made their soldiers kill babies as part of their “training”. > > 6). She crucified the Wise Masters of Meereen - Again. Big deal. They’d crucified like a hundred and fifty innocent children just to try and scare her off. And yeah, not all of them “voted for it”, but who gives a shit? Even the best of them were still slavers. > > 7). She burned Vaes Dothrak - The Khals were planning to keep her locked up in Vaes Dothrak for the rest of her life just because she used to be married to Khal Drogo. Was she supposed to just sit there and take it. I imagine if Jon Snow was being held captive somewhere and could only escape by killing a few people he’d probably do that too. Besides, they’re Dothraki. They only respect strength. The children of King’s Landing? Not so much. > > 8). She burned the ships in Slaver’s Bay - Yeah, the ships which were throwing fire balls Meereen at the time. > > 9). She _burned tens of thousands of innocent children alive_. Even after the battle was won. Even though she had absolutely nothing to gain by doing so. And let’s not forget that this wasn’t just one errant attack on one group of civilians. No. She went all over the city, burning street after street after crowded street _for a good half an hour!_ > > One of these things is not like the others. > > For me to believe that this massacre was within the scope of Daenerys’ character, I would’ve needed to see evidence of real cruelty beforehand. None of her past actions remotely qualify. They were all either responses to cruelty or they were directed solely at people who seriously deserved it, or both. Yeah, she talked a lot of shit about burning cities, but she was also pretty easily talked out of it as well, which suggested to me as a viewer that it was just that; talk. > > I’m genuinely pissed off at the writers for handling her “Mad Queen” turn so sloppily. It’s like if Walter White had gone straight from killing Tuco to arranging the prison massacre with nothing in between. If Daenerys was always destined to ‘Break Bad’ they should’ve been a lot more nuanced with her character work before having her go apeshit with one week to go. > > :mad: You forgot a big one between 8 and 9. Not to mention all the times she started ranting about burning cities to dust and Jorah, Tyrion, or whoever managed to calm her down and convince her to try another way…but the step you’re missing between 8 and 9 is burning the Tarlys, _after they surrendered_. For the crime of not pledging fealty. Surely they could be taken prisoner instead? Nope, she wanted to make a clear and terrifying example. She was advised against it, but did it anyway. That was a _big_ moment, the critical step in the very process you say you wanted to see, but you forgot about it or omit it. Were they _innocent_? I guess not, they did fight her, but it’s war. When it came down to it, though, they surrendered and were disarmed. The battle was over. Sure, it’s another step further to start burning civilians, but there was there clear dialogue indicating she blamed them for “supporting” Cersei (which clearly doesn’t make sense, but she’s rationalizing at that point), AND the whole thing about progression is that there’s always a next step that’s “more” than the last. Walt’s prison thing didn’t come directly after 8-Ball (?) or Tuco, but it was _far_ beyond anything he’d personally done to that point. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/644 "2019-05-16T16:16:37Z")
> [@troub](#): > > You forgot a big one between 8 and 9. Not to mention all the times she started ranting about burning cities to dust and Jorah, Tyrion, or whoever managed to calm her down and convince her to try another way… Yeah, I don’t quite understand the “I don’t care what she said!” mentality. If somebody says they want to shoot up a place, maybe they’re shit talking. If they buy a gun, that’s definitely beyond shit talking and you better take them fucking seriously. She’s said she wanted to burn cities to the ground, _and she had the means to do so._ It would be idiotic not to take her seriously, which is why they talked her down in the first place. Sure, you can make a “Good Dany/Bad Dany” list, but there is no reason to believe she \* wouldn’t\* have burned the cities to the ground if everyone around her was a yes-man. People criticized Trump because of the “Fire and Fury” comments, but he did that publicly and could be construed as empty threats designed to intimidate a weaker power. Most of the comments Dany has made were behind closed doors to people she liked. Much less reason to be lying. ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/645 "2019-05-16T16:22:17Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > I thought this was telling, too. She executed someone without trial _for the crime of executing someone without trial_. It was played off as “law and order” but it was anything but. It was “obey me or die”. I haven’t re-watched that but my impression from reading stuffs was that he was completely open and unabashed about what he had done. He had “plead guilty”, so to speak. Trials determine guilt, so there’s no need for one when the guy cops to it. Only sentencing remains. …I guess I’m still in “defend Dany” mode, still looking for circumstances that clearly tilt in her favor. Still defending my previous impression of her. But given the fact that she’s genuinely on record having torched a guy who didn’t do anything, I need to start re-evaluating all these other things. In fact, I’m just now beginning to wonder if one of the reasons that I found all that Meereen stuff so tedious was that Dany was acting in ways that didn’t “fit” how I saw the character, so I kind of blew off the whole plot line rather than taking the effort to change my impressions of her. I mean, I don’t want to be too hard on myself. That stuff was still suuuuuuper boring. But it was trying to convey nuances about the character that I didn’t pick up on. It’ll be worth paying more attention to all that if I eventually re-watch the whole thing from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/646 "2019-05-16T16:31:53Z")
I will say that Mereen was on par with Dorne in terms of the most boring parts of the show for me, so you’re not alone there. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Any dragon worth his salt should be able to selective fire that stuff. It would suck if you just wanted to roast a lamb or a Lannister for supper and instead blew up a mountainside. For that matter, if your master asked you to burn someone, you’d better not blow up the whole castle doing it. So dragons, careful with that breath! Ha! You know what, that actually seems fair to me. Call me crazy, but this makes me feel better about how sometimes dragonbreath just burns and sometimes it appears to hit with the force of a literal cannonball. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/647 "2019-05-16T16:37:05Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I will say that Mereen was on par with Dorne in terms of the most boring parts of the show for me, so you’re not alone there. > > Ha! > > You know what, that actually seems fair to me. Call me crazy, but this makes me feel better about how sometimes dragonbreath just burns and sometimes it appears to hit with the force of a literal cannonball. Clearly there’s a knob on the dragon’s back with settings for “Execute by frying/Melt Stone/Blow Up Stone” settings. “Dracarys” is just the start button. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/648 "2019-05-16T16:41:46Z")
> [@Hellestal](#): > > I haven’t re-watched that but my impression from reading stuffs was that he was completely open and unabashed about what he had done. He had “plead guilty”, so to speak. Trials determine guilt, so there’s no need for one when the guy cops to it. Only sentencing remains. > > …I guess I’m still in “defend Dany” mode, still looking for circumstances that clearly tilt in her favor. Still defending my previous impression of her. > > But given the fact that she’s genuinely on record having torched a guy who didn’t do anything, I need to start re-evaluating all these other things. In fact, I’m just now beginning to wonder if one of the reasons that I found all that Meereen stuff so tedious was that Dany was acting in ways that didn’t “fit” how I saw the character, so I kind of blew off the whole plot line rather than taking the effort to change my impressions of her. I mean, I don’t want to be too hard on myself. That stuff was still suuuuuuper boring. But it was trying to convey nuances about the character that I didn’t pick up on. It’ll be worth paying more attention to all that if I eventually re-watch the whole thing from the beginning. I think you can still have portions of your previous impression of her. I mean, she did free tens of thousands of slaves. She did put her ambitions on pause to help the North. Those are noble things. There is a a pretty large caveat to that though, which I am very grateful for. Dany being pure white and her arc being from the lonely outcast to the destined ruler of the seven kingdoms is a played out and boring story. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/649 "2019-05-16T16:57:38Z")
> [@Hellestal](#): > > That stuff was still suuuuuuper boring. But it was trying to convey nuances about the character that I didn’t pick up on. It’ll be worth paying more attention to all that if I eventually re-watch the whole thing from the beginning. Yeah, another thing I remember is Daario or Tyrion or somebody telling her “You know, Meereen is going to shit, maybe you should stick around here and learn how to rule a little better before invading Westeros?” And she seemed okay with that idea until the fighting pits/dragon ride/Dothraki kidnapping situation, and then she came back and basically said “screw that, let’s nuke these slavers, leave a bloodthirsty mercenary in charge of the whole region, and high tail it to the pointy chair! It’s mah destiny!!!”. So even then you could see that the “right thing” took a back seat to her ambition, _especially_ right after she underwent some personal trauma which roused her anger. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/650 "2019-05-16T17:01:29Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This is the kind of thing I couldn’t possibly give less of a wet fart about…Character consistency is far more important to me, so I care more about whether Dany etc. is acting in a way consistent with her character. I think she is, but I understand folks disagree…Yeah, there’s some ambiguity in her motives: is she in barbarian fury? Is she spiteful as hell? Is she following through on a calculated plan to shore up her support? There’s evidence for each possibility, and it’s worth discussing. I appreciate this sort of ambiguity in stories. > > Others don’t, that’s fine, but it’s a matter of taste, not a matter of artistic failure. I appreciate you putting into words what I hadn’t quite been able to express, both on the relative unimportance of stuff like time consistency, and the value in ambiguity. If the discussion of a character’s actions is “why the hell did she do that? That makes no sense,” then that’s a flaw. But when the discussion is “was the primary reason for her actions A, B, or C,” and there is disagreement among viewers, then that is a major plus for me. Holder a viewer by the hand and leading them to the one correct interpretation is much easier than giving them some reasonable conflicting interpretations and letting them decide on their own. I find the latter more enjoyable and I appreciate writers who can do that well. > [@Colibri](#): > > The main point of those journeys was character development, not getting from point A to point B. The incidents that happened en route were the reason for them, not the destination. Those characters have all been developed as far as they’re going to be at this point, so there’s now point in such wanderings. At this point in the story, I don’t really care about whether they had a hard time crossing the Trident or where the Dothraki found grazing for their horses. > > I agree they could have done a better job giving a sense of how long travel times were, but it’s not really essential to the story and doesn’t bother me that much. Right. The lack of consistency last season and this one in how long it takes for things to happen is admittedly poor. It’s not just not showing the passing of time, it’s that time passes at different rates for different characters. This is definitely a flaw. But I can willingly ignore it because the alternative is worse. When story threads are going in different directions, it’s easy to maintain consistency between them. When everything needs to be concluded and all the threads need to converge at the same place and time, this becomes difficult to impossible. It’s not a matter of the writers caring less now than previously; it’s a completely different challenge. For the sake of moving the story toward the conclusion, I’m glad they sacrificed that consistency for the sake of the characters and impactful scenes. (And if it really bothers you that there weren’t trees near the gate of King’s Landing, or that Cersei didn’t have a bigger stomach, just tell yourself [a wizard did it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ).) ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/651 "2019-05-16T17:17:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I only wish that were sarcastic. Your analysis of the writers of the show borders on the ludicrous, both because who cares about your beliefs of their work habits, and also because your beliefs are almost certainly incorrect. > > Discussion of the show itself is interesting. Your snide insults about the show’s creators are dumb and irrelevant. Firstly, wow, overreact much? My sentence is not particularly rude about anyone, all writers necessarily overlook lots of things, you can’t think of everything. Secondly the people I have argued against have speculated on what the writers were doing and thinking. Only one side of this particular issue is allowed to do that? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/652 "2019-05-16T17:51:37Z")
> [@Hellestal](#): > > I haven’t re-watched that but my impression from reading stuffs was that he was completely open and unabashed about what he had done. He had “plead guilty”, so to speak. I’ve rewatched the scene recently, and yes, he didn’t hide nor deny what he had done. He rather flaunted it, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/653 "2019-05-16T18:05:50Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Firstly, wow, overreact much? My sentence is not particularly rude about anyone, all writers necessarily overlook lots of things, you can’t think of everything. > > Secondly the people I have argued against have speculated on what the writers were doing and thinking. Only one side of this particular issue is allowed to do that? Maybe it’s an overreaction. I don’t think it is; I think it’s worth calling out silly, meanspirited, and dumb arguments that aren’t about the show. YMMV. If I, or anyone, is trying to justify the artistic decisions within the show by talking about how hardworking and goodhearted the show creators are, feel free to call that out as well. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/654 "2019-05-16T18:31:25Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Looks like they’re calling it _The Bells_. The first thing I thought when they started ringing was WAAAAY back varyis mad a comment about hating the bells. The bells ring for horror [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FAwB-FkyWZU/maxresdefault.jpg ""I've always hated the bells. They ring for .." Game of Thrones quote S02E09 Lord Varys") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAwB-FkyWZU) ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/655 "2019-05-16T19:11:52Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Your analysis of the writers of the show borders on the ludicrous, both because who cares about your beliefs of their work habits, and also because your beliefs are almost certainly incorrect. > > Discussion of the show itself is interesting. Your snide insults about the show’s creators are dumb and irrelevant. Is [Nikolaj Coster-Waldau’s criticism / insult](https://np.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bp5izk/nikolaj_costerwaldau_on_dd/)regarding the writers relevant? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/656 "2019-05-16T19:45:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Discussion of the show itself is interesting. Your snide insults about the show’s creators are dumb and irrelevant. Who are we allowed to insult while being smart and relevant? Please answer in list form. ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/657 "2019-05-16T20:06:26Z")
What I’ve been wondering is – what happened to winter? Was the coming “Long Night” just a function of the Night King, or is there still going to be a twenty year winter that starves virtually everyone? ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/658 "2019-05-16T20:11:29Z")
> [@2nd\_Law](#): > > What I’ve been wondering is – what happened to winter? Was the coming “Long Night” just a function of the Night King, or is there still going to be a twenty year winter that starves virtually everyone? Night King died a couple of episodes ago and it’s still winter. It may not be a twenty _year_ winter, but one of my early hypotheses – that this multi-year season stuff was magical/caused by the White Walkers, and would go back to normal four-per-year seasons after they were defeated – doesn’t seem to have panned out. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/659 "2019-05-16T20:28:08Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Is [Nikolaj Coster-Waldau’s criticism / insult](https://np.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bp5izk/nikolaj_costerwaldau_on_dd/)regarding the writers relevant? He’s not insulting them. He’s saying that after pestering them about his character, they finally had to explain to him that they weren’t looking to workshop the script with the actors. More specifically, not with him. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/660 "2019-05-16T20:28:52Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Is [Nikolaj Coster-Waldau’s criticism / insult](https://np.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bp5izk/nikolaj_costerwaldau_on_dd/)regarding the writers relevant? Not watching a video, not sure who that dude is, and anyway you mispronounced his first name. [edit: googled, it’s the actor who played Jaime, still not especially interested in watching a Reddit video, nor do I especially give a wet fart about anyone’s insults of the show’s creators.] > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Who are we allowed to insult while being smart and relevant? > > Please answer in list form. No thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=34)