# Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869 "2019-05-12T22:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/761 "2019-05-18T18:19:07Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That begs the question, though. His moral code doesn’t weigh consequences, it weighs personal integrity and behaving according to principles. If he acts according to his principles, he’s fulfilled his moral duty. Sansa is responsible for her own choices. > > Again, it’s not a code I agree with, but it’s [a pretty common approach to morality](https://www.iep.utm.edu/virtue/), not a sign of stupidity. Of course it is, you can’t just gloss over doing stupid things with “it’s his moral code”, they are still stupid. And it’s not just his honesty, when Dany rightfully points out that he fucked up he still doesn’t get it and tries to downplay Sansa’s actions. She told Tyrion because she trusts him? come on, that is either dishonest or stupid. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/762 "2019-05-18T18:27:51Z")
> [@Hellestal](#): > > my immediate thought was, “Bitch, please, that’s pure bluster. You damn well know you chained your own dragons when they were eating people until you learned to ride and control them.” I think that statement also calls back to that season-opening scene in season 4(?) when she tried to pet one of the adolescent dragons while it was eating and it just about tore her head off. > [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s not that he feels differently about Sansa, Bran, and Arya. It’s that he feels that he is misleading them into treating him like a brother. His sense of its dishonestly is so strong that he can’t hold it in even for a second. Totally agreed, but I still maintain that he failed Ned, his ultimate role model. Ned kept that secret for a reason, dummy! > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Our library has all of seasons 1-7 on Blu-ray and multiple copies of each season, so that was actually a really easy way to see the whole thing free. Are there special features? Any commentary tracks? I love shows on disc if they have special features, like (for example) Firefly. But I’ve been increasingly finding that streaming shows put almost no effort into discs of their shows. The best example is an early one: Orange Is the New Black. The first couple seasons had tons of special features, including commentary tracks with sometimes the entire cast. Later seasons have almost none of that. And Stranger Things discs come with no special features at all; it’s literally just the shows and nothing else. I’m not sure if HBO has adopted that bare-bones model yet. I think the purpose of it is to drive people to pay for streaming, and I know HBO would love people to sign up for HBO Go. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/763 "2019-05-18T19:07:56Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s an irony that if Ned had been so compulsively honest, Robert would have strangled Jon in infancy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/764 "2019-05-18T19:07:57Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s not that he feels differently about Sansa, Bran, and Arya. It’s that he feels that he is misleading them into treating him like a brother. His sense of its dishonestly is so strong that he can’t hold it in even for a second. > > He’s still as stupid as fuck though. I get where you’re coming from, but I don’t think it squares with his speech to Theon about being a Stark. If he’s sure that Theon is a Stark because he was raised at Winterfell, then he should be sure he himself is a Stark since he was raised there as well. There’s more to being a brother than just having the same biological parents. Heck, he considers the Night’s Watch his brothers. It just really irritates me that he sees letting Arya call him brother as dishonest just because they don’t have the same biological father. But, I concede that “real” family only being genetic is a kind of a trigger issue for me, so I’m probably overreacting to this a bit. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/765 "2019-05-18T19:17:36Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Ned Stark was fatally flawed. He still knew when it was wise to keep a secret. > [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s an irony that if Ned had been so compulsively honest, Robert would have strangled Jon in infancy. Ned placed the promise he made to his sister above his duty to be honest. Also, possibly, the duty to protect his nephew versus his duty to be honest. Jon made no such promise. He was ordered by his queen to keep the secret, but he didn’t accept the order. Now you can argue that this is inconsistent with his character, but I don’t think so. I can’t recall an instance where Jon treated following an order as being more important than following his own moral code. I don’t find any inconsistency in Jon telling his family about his origin. It was a bad move. It was frustrating. But it derived from genuinely established character, and not a plot hole or a writing conceit. Also, I think Jon could still consider himself to be the brother of Sansa/Arya/Bran in a philosophical sense but also in the moment basically be bothered that his siblings don’t believe the correct thing because he has information that they don’t. It would eat at him that he would let them believe something false that he had the ability to correct. So I buy his internal struggle. Sure, he could’ve and should’ve kept his trap shut, but I’m not seeing an inconsistency. Jon is just very strongly principled, even if you disagree with his principles. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/766 "2019-05-18T19:27:37Z")
Yup, Ned was so honorable that he sacrificed his own honor to keep his promise. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/767 "2019-05-18T19:31:20Z")
Right, that too - he had to live with the shame of having a bastard son and cheating on his wife. Not a big deal to most of the characters we’ve seen, but that would’ve been incredibly difficult to someone who was as concerned about being as honest and honorable as Ned did. He spent his whole life basically living like the ultimate boyscout and to have to have that shame - which people assumed to be a failure on his part and a failing to adhere to his moral code - must’ve ate him up inside. But he made a promise to his sister and he stuck by it, whatever the consequences. It was actually a pretty significant sacrifice for Ned. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/768 "2019-05-18T19:54:48Z")
I also think there is the notion that honor means a bit more in the North. The phrase “The North Remembers” and the Stark words “Winter is Coming” alludes to a society that depends on honor and trust more because of the knowledge they need to trust each other to survive the frozen wastes of the North. You have to trust people to survive years of winter. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/769 "2019-05-18T20:07:59Z")
> [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > I get where you’re coming from, but I don’t think it squares with his speech to Theon about being a Stark. If he’s sure that Theon is a Stark because he was raised at Winterfell, then he should be sure he himself is a Stark since he was raised there as well. There’s more to being a brother than just having the same biological parents. Heck, he considers the Night’s Watch his brothers. It just really irritates me that he sees letting Arya call him brother as dishonest just because they don’t have the same biological father. But, I concede that “real” family only being genetic is a kind of a trigger issue for me, so I’m probably overreacting to this a bit. It’s his prerogative to grant Theon the status of brother because he has all the relevant information. Theon isn’t hiding his parentage. Jon feels he cannot accept the other Stark children’s acceptance of him unless they do so with full knowledge. Acceptance is true acceptance only if it is done with full knowledge of the facts. Like a contract. Or consent in terms of sex. So Jon is self-consistent in that point. What he doesn’t recognize is what Ned recognized—sometimes there are considerations that trump full honesty. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/770 "2019-05-18T20:11:22Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Ned Stark was fatally flawed. He still knew when it was wise to keep a secret. Except that last time… ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/771 "2019-05-18T20:24:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Except that last time… Ned wasn’t prioritizing honesty; he was prioritizing saving the innocent from being murdered. Which is exactly the calculation that Jon failed to make. He thought he had the situation covered. His mistake wasn’t in his wish to give Cersei a chance to flee to save the children, but rather thinking that he could trust Littlefinger. And pretty much everyone made the mistake of trusting Littlefinger at one point or another. Littlefinger used his ability to gain others’ confidence to completely tear down all of society’s institutions. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/772 "2019-05-18T20:33:00Z")
Ned also thought that Cersei was out of options. He underestimated her. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/773 "2019-05-18T20:53:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Right, that too - he had to live with the shame of having a bastard son and cheating on his wife. Not a big deal to most of the characters we’ve seen, but that would’ve been incredibly difficult to someone who was as concerned about being as honest and honorable as Ned did. He spent his whole life basically living like the ultimate boyscout and to have to have that shame - which people assumed to be a failure on his part and a failing to adhere to his moral code - must’ve ate him up inside. But he made a promise to his sister and he stuck by it, whatever the consequences. It was actually a pretty significant sacrifice for Ned. And also Jon knew this as soon as he realized who he actually was. And part of the calculation wasn’t that he thought his family deserved to know who he was, but also they deserved to know the kind of man their _father_ was. And that Ned’s greatest shame wasn’t actually a shame at all. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/774 "2019-05-18T20:57:46Z")
That is actually a really great point. And I’m 90% sure the writers hadn’t even considered that, because if they had, they could’ve had Jon say that, and it would’ve made his motivation more explained/plausible. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/775 "2019-05-18T21:01:43Z")
Yeah, I find that compelling. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/776 "2019-05-18T21:45:41Z")
> [@Hellestal](#): > > I find this entirely unconvincing. > > But okay, if you don’t like that example, then take the very fact that she squandered elite troops for a large-scale emancipation project, where she could have just lopped off the head of the current power structures and replaced them with herself without any other changes. If literally all of her actions, _without exception_, served to advance her own power (remember: this is the argument I was disputing), then it would have better served her “interests” to just replace the top, rather than feeding her best troops into the meat grinder in order to undermine fundamental social structures. She didn’t have to free the Unsullied in the first place. They would’ve followed her regardless. I’ve never said that she was unambiguously evil. She wasn’t. She was a complex character who no doubt wanted to do good, and did do a lot of good, but she also wanted to rule, and while in Essos her instincts to do good aligned with her overarching desire to rule, so she was a ‘benevolent queen’. But even then there were signs that something darker was under the surface. She didn’t have to free the Unsullied, but may have intuited that if she freed them they would join her voluntarily, and that’s a much more powerful bond. If freeing them had been part of a choice that would require her to give up her quest for the throne, do you think she still would have done it? > [@](#): > > She was quite consciously depleting her resources in order to free slaves. Was she? Not in the show she didn’t. She created an army that fought for her out of love instead of fear or obligation. That’s a much stronger army. > [@](#): > > It was only dumb luck that brought the Dothraki hordes into her grasp after she stayed to make sure the slaves stayed free. That didn’t have to happen, and if it hadn’t, she would’ve had a much smaller army, many of her troops deliberately and consciously used up for her dreams of emancipation. That’s less power for her, not more, for the express purpose of ending slavery. Slaves make lousy soldiers. Make the people love you, and you can raise volunteers by the hundreds of thousands. Whether she was thinking about these things or not, the fact is that freeing the slaves was not in conflict with her ultimate goal of retaking Westeros. And I’m sure she honestly felt like it was the right thing to do. The story of Daenerys is almost a cliche when it comes to dictators. Most dictators do not rise through fear - they rise because they are generally loved by the people - at first. Castro was a revolutionary for the people who was going to get rid of the corruption, the mob influence, American corporations, and restore glory to Cuba. I’m sure he believed it. I doubt he started out wanting to brutalize people and enslave them. But once you have power you have to make decisions, and those decisions have unintended consequences. Things start falling apart. The people stop loving you, and start opposing you. That’s when you decide that they are stupid and don’t understand what you are trying to do for them, so a crackdown on the ‘malcontents’ is necessary for the good of everyone. You can see the same dynamic in Venezuela. Chavez started off on a high - doing things the people loved. He gave them free stuff. He nationalized industry and gave the proceeds to the ‘people’. His generosity was well known, and he was re-elected and all the rest. Then Maduro came to power, promising to be another Chavez. But by this time the economy was reeling. Maduro tried giving more gifts to the people, but the money was running out. Once the people began to fight back against him, the generosity went away and the police state showed up. This is the inevitable logic of tyranny. Even high-minded tyrants get broken down by reality, and being tyrants they switch from love to fear in a heartbeat. > [@](#): > > Some folks here are still denying that there really was a genuine setup for Dany doing this, and after the arguments have been put forth at such length, it eventually becomes a kind of willful blindness to deny it. But the same can happen, to a lesser extent, in the opposite direction, too. Some people seem to be trying to deny that there was any good in her at all, and that’s wrong. There’s actually a huge difference between saying _almost everything_ she did served to advance her power, and saying _literally everything_ she did served to advance her power. It cheapens her character to flatten it to such a extreme degree. And in fact, the narrative “trick” you’re talking about becomes a lot more fun and interesting when you realize there was a kernel of good to her, rather than just dismissing her as a 100% power-grubber. I don’t know how you got the idea that I don’t believe there was a kernel of good in her. I said this a few pages ago: > [@Sam Stone](#): > > There’s no doubt that Daeneris was capable of compassion. She’s not a sociopath. I’m sure it truly hurt her to see the body of the boy her dragon killed. I’m sure her reaction when seeing those women being raped was honest. But tyrants through history have been able to compartmentalize and separate their feelings from ‘what must be done’. Hell, they even showed us that King Robert, who used to be just as moral and honorable as Ned, was broken down by the years of compromises and hard decisions to the point where he could easily order the death of a girl he’d never met and who was currently no threat to him and probably never would be. Just in case. But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t have true feelings for his family, or that he would coldly murder someone in his presence. > > In the same way, soldiers have been able to go to war and commit unspeakable acts from a peacetime perspective, including bombing buildings where they know children are, or bombing entire cities full of civilians. Then they can come back to civilian life and risk their life to save a puppy. Humans are capable of compartmentalizing these things - we probably had to learn to do that to stay alive. My opinion is not that Daeneris was an evil person - but rather that her story is a complex but common one about a person who starts out with a good heart but an overriding ambition and will to power. At the beginning, she honestly believes that she is the ‘breaker of chains’, and fully embraces her role as a good ruler who frees people from bondage. It wasn’t until she ran up against a people who didn’t need freeing and who rejected her right to rule them that the overarching ambition overcame her good nature. And the show gave us plenty of examples through all 8 seasons of times when Daenerys’ impulse was to burn cities who opposed her, or murder people when she was frustrated, scared, or simply giving in to what is probably a deep impulse in the mind of a Targaryan - if things are going poorly, you can always start burning. > [@](#): > > Speaking of which… > This is absolutely right in general, but absolutely wrong in the specific example. > > Even if Old Man Tarly was a giant dick, little Dickon was right there, too. Nobody > disliked Fancy Lad. He was a little stiff when Sam visited, but not obnoxious like his father. If anything, he earned a lot of sympathy from his greenness in battle, the ribbing he got from the veteran Bronn, and his noble (but completely dipshit) decision to get torched with his dad. This is a fair criticism of my saying that they had pulled the same trick with the Tarleys, because as you say Dickon wasn’t like that, and in fact the show went out of its way to give him a few humanizing moments just before the battle. So maybe that was the writer’s strategy - to show that Daenerys was not just about burning the worst people, but anyone who wouldn’t bend the knee. But since Dickon’s treatment does contradict what I said, you are right. > [@](#): > > But I should point out again that you’re clearly right here on the more general trend: Dany’s previous violence was overlooked because her previous targets were odious monsters, totally unlike Dickon. But given that, I want to stress something here, and that is how people like me saw Dany in light of her many, many, many victims. I did not give a flying shit about her lighting up Dickon, and I still don’t. Imagine how the audience would have felt about Daenerys if she had gone to the Khals, and instead of insults and death threats they had said to her, “Khaleesi, Khal Drogo was a great man, and you are clearly still deeply affected by his loss. We will do what we can to help you, but you must follow our customs and live with the other ex-Khaleesis whose Khals have died. But fear not - your status is respected, and you are loved by our people and will make a great addition to Vaes Dothrak.” And then she burned them all to death anyway. Because she was totally planning to do that long before she entered that place. Her accomplices were waiting to lock them all in. And when those three emissaries came to see her on the hilltop, imagine if instead of insulting her like mad (which would be stupid for any emissary to do), they had said, “I’m sorry, Khaleesi, but we cannot agree to your terms. We hope for a peaceful solution, but our masters may opt for war. We feel terrible about this, but that’s the way it is.” And then Greyworm walked up and slit the throats of two of them as a message. That would have looked pretty awful. But instead, they had them spit insults at her, and then when told what one would be sacrificed, they also had to be dicks and pick out the lowly trader, thus making it clear that they were rich assholes sacrificing the poor. So we cheered when they died. But they were unarmed, they were there as a negotiated parlay, and she murdered them. > [@](#): > > Dickon was not innocent. She considered herself the rightful queen of the Seven of Kingdoms. He and his father both forfeited their lives by taking up arms against her. But they surrendered, just like the city did. She had them in her full control, which meant she could just as easily had said, “Take them away and put them in a cell. Hopefully they will change their minds once they seee how benevolent I am. Anyone else who doesn’t accept my rule, step forward and you can join them in prison.” A humane ruler would have done that. But Daeneris (possibly correctly) realized that they would be a source of insurrection, and by letting them off easily it would be harder to get the rest to bend the knee. So she made the cold decision to burn them in front of everyone else. And it worked - the rest of them got into line very quickly. But it’s the exact same kind of logic that was used to justify her burning of King’s Landing. There’s a time for love, and there’s a time for burning people to make a point. Targaryans have been established as people for whom the burning comes easily. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/777 "2019-05-18T22:14:44Z")
“The Real Reason Fans Hate the Last Season of Game of Thrones” by Zeynep Tufekci A rather long but very interesting opinion piece about storytelling choices. [The Real Reason Fans Hate the Last Season of Game of Thrones - Scientific American Blog Network](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/?redirect=1) ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/778 "2019-05-18T23:12:19Z")
So I guess Bronn’s story-line was wrapped up with his scene with Tyrion and Jamie? I guess he’ll never get his castle now. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/779 "2019-05-18T23:17:34Z")
Maybe Dany will give him one if he takes out Jon and Sansa for her. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/780 "2019-05-18T23:18:27Z")
> [@nate](#): > > So I guess Bronn’s story-line was wrapped up with his scene with Tyrion and Jamie? I guess he’ll never get his castle now. Unless the ending is terribly bloody. In that case, he’ll be able to take his pick. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869.md?page=40)