# Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869 "2019-05-12T22:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/61 "2019-05-13T03:15:53Z")
Eh, Arya kept Needle, saved the actress, and abandoned the Faceless Man life because she didn’t abandon all decency. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/62 "2019-05-13T03:16:28Z")
Well that was … er … something. I guess Dany didn’t need armies after all. At least it was visually stunning. I am not rooting for anyone at this point. All the survivors are either killers obsessed with revenge (Dany, Arya) or incompetent bozos (Jon, Tyrion). Maybe Sansa should be in charge? She seems to have her act together. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/63 "2019-05-13T03:18:29Z")
So Jaime got stabbed in the guts twice and walks away, but Euron gets stabbed in the gut once and he’s lights out? And I guess Euron was wrong. He didn’t kill Jaime, Danaerys did. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/64 "2019-05-13T03:19:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Arya had spent seasons and seasons deadening herself to decency and kindness, to kill without qualm, and all of a sudden she decides to be heroic to strangers. I know people keep saying this but I don’t get it. Right before she left Bravos, she showed that she couldn’t kill her basic decency and kindness, especially after she was reminded again of who she was. She wouldn’t kill the actress who was kind to her which is what caused her to have to fight for her life to be able to leave the Faceless Men. She almost sacrificed her life for that stranger. She is a very skilled killer but when did she kill when not protecting herself, revenging wrongs done to her family by the people who were very active in that wrong (Freys), or in the case of mercy (the sick girl at the well)? She couldn’t bring herself to kill the Hound even when he begged her to. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/65 "2019-05-13T03:20:20Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Well that was … er … something. I guess Dany didn’t need armies after all. At least it was visually stunning. > > I am not rooting for anyone at this point. All the survivors are either killers obsessed with revenge (Dany, Arya) or incompetent bozos (Jon, Tyrion). Maybe Sansa should be in charge? She seems to have her act together. I actually could see Sansa’ come out on top. Whoever kills Dany probably isn’t going to live to tell about it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/66 "2019-05-13T03:21:58Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > I know people keep saying this but I don’t get it. Right before she left Bravos, she showed that she couldn’t kill her basic decency and kindness, especially after she was reminded again of who she was. She wouldn’t kill the actress who was kind to her which is what caused her to have to fight for her life to be able to leave the Faceless Men. She almost sacrificed her life for that stranger. > > She is a very skilled killer but when did she kill when not protecting herself, revenging wrongs done to her family by the people who were very active in that wrong (Freys), or in the case of mercy (the sick girl at the well)? She couldn’t bring herself to kill the Hound even when he begged her to. She killed dozens at the Twins, including servants. You’re right that she maybe had a shred of decency in her, and she obviously loved her family, but the sequence seemed pointless to me. I didn’t think it added anything at all to the story, as well as not really being in line with her character (also, that she was stumbling and being trampled by civilians… After handling dozens of wights and the Night King) . IMO, if course. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/67 "2019-05-13T03:23:54Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Well that was … er … something. I guess Dany didn’t need armies after all. At least it was visually stunning. Could have used a little less waiting for the bells to ring. > [@](#): > > I am not rooting for anyone at this point. All the survivors are either killers obsessed with revenge (Dany, Arya) or incompetent bozos (Jon, Tyrion). I think Arya got her humanity back this episode. She’s somewhat still the girl who wouldn’t let the Hound murder innocent people. > [@](#): > > Maybe Sansa should be in charge? She seems to have her act together. Sansa’s got her shit in one sock, but she’s playing the great game. She’d be a good ruler, but her name wouldn’t go down in myth like Jon’s or Tyrion’s would. _Back in the days of the Crow / Dwarf King…_ ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/68 "2019-05-13T03:27:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > She killed dozens at the Twins, including servants. She didn’t kill the servants. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/69 "2019-05-13T03:29:58Z")
Is it too late to retcon episode three and let the zombies win? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/70 "2019-05-13T03:30:44Z")
Do you think that if Jon had taken one for the team and had sex with his aunt one last time, he could have saved about a million people? ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/71 "2019-05-13T03:31:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > She killed dozens at the Twins, including servants. You’re right that she maybe had a shred of decency in her, and she obviously loved her family, but the sequence seemed pointless to me. I didn’t think it added anything at all to the story, as well as not really being in line with her character (also, that she was stumbling and being trampled by civilians… After handling dozens of wights and the Night King) . IMO, if course. I was under the impression only the Freys and their henchmen were given the wine. She even made sure his young wife didn’t drink it. Frey even commented she “wasn’t one of mine” so she didn’t kill one of his servants to get her face. Maybe she did have to fight her way in and an innocent servant died but I don’t remember that shown on screen and we don’t know the story of the girl whose face she wore. I’m not saying there might not have been incidental kills but she’s never been shown cold-blooded killing an innocent on screen as far as I can remember. I remember her trying to prevent the Hound doing that a few times. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/72 "2019-05-13T03:33:59Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Well that was … er … something. I guess Dany didn’t need armies after all. At least it was visually stunning. > > I am not rooting for anyone at this point. All the survivors are either killers obsessed with revenge (Dany, Arya) or incompetent bozos (Jon, Tyrion). Maybe Sansa should be in charge? She seems to have her act together. Gendry walks into Kings Landing…“I need the deed to Stor…oh…I seem to be king.” ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/73 "2019-05-13T03:35:11Z")
What’s the name of the episode? _Dresdan from the Ground?_. _Times in Tokyo_? Man, maybe Virseys would have been preferable? Maybe, if had been gay? The Night King? Seriously, Ramsey’s ghost is going "_ok that was a bit much_ . ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/74 "2019-05-13T03:37:29Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > What’s the name of the episode? _Dresdan from the Ground?_. _Times in Tokyo_? The Bells. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/75 "2019-05-13T03:37:30Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > What’s the name of the episode? _Dresdan from the Ground?_. _Times in Tokyo_? Looks like they’re calling it _The Bells_. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/76 "2019-05-13T03:37:34Z")
Gotta love the patch the devs put in to nerf the ballistas. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/77 "2019-05-13T03:38:38Z")
1. That’s how you fight a battle with overwhelming air superiority. 2. Damn! 3. DAMN! I thought it was a great episode. No way Cersie and Jamie survive that. I am wondering where all those Dothraki came from though, my only WTF of the episode. Also, it was a “Destroy the entire city” episode. No dialog is needed. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/78 "2019-05-13T03:41:22Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > What’s the name of the episode? _Dresdan from the Ground?_. _Times in Tokyo_? Daenerys Stormborn, Committer of War Crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/79 "2019-05-13T03:45:08Z")
“I’ll pick ‘Burn city’ from the dialogue tree…did I save game?” ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-05-the-bells-5-12-19-show-discussion/833869/80 "2019-05-13T03:45:34Z")
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