# Game of Thrones 8.06 "The Iron Throne" 5/19/2019 Show Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204 "2019-05-19T21:21:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/181 "2019-05-20T08:18:39Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > “Rule them all” like Sauron, Queen of the ashes" “He said it was made of 1000 swords”, like Littlefinger. Some great scene here, but I don’t see Dany speech to Jon as credible. And I find her death scene bad. > > And clearly dragons can regulate the temperature of their breath from superficial burns to melting steel. And they understand symbolism. > > And I don’t see Yara siding with Danaerys. And Edmure the wise (with a non tit-sucking Robin), who would have expected this?..ah, uh…OK, “uncle, please seat”. It would have been better without this comment, in fact. He didn’t need to be ridiculed. > > OK, the leak was correct. ☹ And the reason given for the choice is absurd (I hoped they could have come up with some sort of sensible reason, at least. “What unite people? A good story.” What the hell??? Tyrion just convinced me that Bran should be the royal chronicler. And the wheel is broken…The king will be picked up by the magnates (and a Maester apprentice), Polish style. Wow! Such an impressive change, well worth seven years of war. And the example of the North splinting from the crown isn’t at all a precedent for all the other lordship (also formerly independant). This whole scene is completely anticlimatic. And “All hail…Bran\*\* the broken\*\*. Really”??? > > Arya’s end unsatisfying too. And not making much sense. And a kingdom ruled by fate? The council scene is anticlimatic too. And Bron and and Sam being members make it looks like a joke. Don’t have the time to see the very end, but I expect to keep being disappointed. So far, only one great scene in the whole episode. Sam is the head of House Tarly. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/182 "2019-05-20T08:38:40Z")
Predictably bad. There’s missing the landing and then there is nose diving upside down on a different continent. At least Daenery’s “break the wheel” inclinations for mass murder were internally consistent and the only way the narrative could make sense. Just poorly executed for bullshit dramatic effect with the bells. Same with the dragon. “Jon is toast, I can’t watch! Wait he missed? Oh right, he just wants to melt the throne because reasons.” Noble and loyal Jon takes an extended holiday at the Wall after committing murder and treason against his heartthrob with a five second moral dilemma. “Did I do the right thing? Doesn’t feel like it. Let’s ride bikes and break stuff.” They had to go with the hug-kiss-thud glassy eyes and stream of blood on the cheek cliché too? And Dany make up your mind, is Jon a threat or a teenager’s crush? I won’t even bother to deconstruct the whole conclusion because of embarassment by proxy. RoboBran as king is a joke and even the intentional humor was clunkly. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/183 "2019-05-20T09:08:42Z")
I wonder if that redo petition is gonna have a million more names on it tomorrow… ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/184 "2019-05-20T09:19:18Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > and what other show has ever redone a season due to some fans throwing a tantrum? Imagine this… Game of Thrones, Season 8 Redux, Episode 1: _Fade into Jon, asleep on a bed. He awakens to the sound of running water in the next room. He follows the sound and opens a shower_ door. Dany, naked and wet, turns around, smiles, and says\* “Good morning!” _Cue theme song._ \*I know they didn’t have showers in Westeros–just go with it. ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/185 "2019-05-20T09:39:48Z")
I can’t get over how bad the Westeros council scene was. Tyrion, a prisoner (as was Jon), is brought out and put in front of a mishmash of characters we’ve seen (and not seen) throughout the show with no rhyme or reason to why who was there and who was not. Tyrion proceeds to declare they must appoint someone there as the King. And Grey Worm, who is holding him prisoner, nods along. WHAT? And then, because no one except Edmure has the balls to try to claim the throne, Tyrion give a big speech and says Bran, a paralyzed kid who hasn’t made any decision since becoming a three-eyed raven, should be King. And everyone agrees, except for Sansa, she wants an independent kingdom. But Bran, not appointed King yet of course, nods to her, and all the other feckless lords and accessory characters approve. WTF? Can you imagine this scene in season 1 - 6? Such a disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/186 "2019-05-20T11:37:32Z")
It wasn’t the greatest episode but I liked where all the characters ended up. All the surviving Starks ended up okay. Some thoughts: I actually forgot to include in my prediction thread post that they would show an in universe chronicle of current events called “A Song of Ice and Fire”. My only mistake was I thought Sam and Tyrion would start writing it. Liked most of post book episodes. This felt like it was written by TV writers. The laughter when Sam suggested democracy was a very TV scene. Yay Ghost! I knew, and was happy to see, the North split from the South. It made political sense. Gendry looked like he really took to being a Lord. Bronn is still Bronn and I think he will be bored by Highgarden within three months. It wasn’t clear to me why Tyrion was allowed to lead that meeting but I am glad Grey Work didn’t just kill him there. Really not all that bad an ending. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/187 "2019-05-20T11:52:49Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Sam is the head of House Tarly. It’s unclear whether he is. But in any case, the house Tarly is a vassal (of Highgarden). He’s not one of the seven great lords of Westeros. But indeed I had forgotten this when I watched the show, and wondered why on Earth he felt entitled to vote (and in fact why he was there to begin with). ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/188 "2019-05-20T12:09:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Bronn is still Bronn and I think he will be bored by Highgarden within three months. I get the sense he will mostly rule in absentia, spending a lot of time in KL, rebuilding the brothels > [@](#): > > It wasn’t clear to me why Tyrion was allowed to lead that meeting but I am glad Grey Work didn’t just kill him there. If there is one constant over these 8 seasons, it is that people tell Tyrion to be quiet and he keeps talking anyway. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/189 "2019-05-20T12:10:20Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > It’s unclear whether he is. But in any case, the house Tarly is a vassal (of Highgarden). He’s not one of the seven great lords of Westeros. But indeed I had forgotten this when I watched the show, and wondered why on Earth he felt entitled to vote (and in fact why he was there to begin with). He was a representative of the Maesters ? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/190 "2019-05-20T12:19:06Z")
When the council ridiculed Sam’s suggestion that the people choose their king, I told my wife “I didn’t know they were all Republicans.” ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/191 "2019-05-20T12:21:40Z")
> [@nate](#): > > I can’t get over how bad the Westeros council scene was. > > Tyrion, a prisoner (as was Jon), is brought out and put in front of a mishmash of characters we’ve seen (and not seen) throughout the show with no rhyme or reason to why who was there and who was not. > > Tyrion proceeds to declare they must appoint someone there as the King. And Grey Worm, who is holding him prisoner, nods along. WHAT? And then, because no one except Edmure has the balls to try to claim the throne, Tyrion give a big speech and says Bran, a paralyzed kid who hasn’t made any decision since becoming a three-eyed raven, should be King. And everyone agrees, except for Sansa, she wants an independent kingdom. But Bran, not appointed King yet of course, nods to her, and all the other feckless lords and accessory characters approve. WTF? Can you imagine this scene in season 1 - 6? Such a disappointment. I thought the reaction to Sam’s call for a people’s vote was disappointing too. It would have been nice if we could see the likes of Tyrion & Sansa laugh the idea off. Instead, we only saw secondary characters laugh. We simply cannot have medieval type characters we sympathize with disagree with the idea of democracy! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/192 "2019-05-20T12:24:32Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Right before the show started, HBO ran a long promo on its new and upcoming series. They’re _really_ hoping that some of them achieve a fraction of the popularity of Game of Thrones. That was a teaser for the third season of Westworld. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/193 "2019-05-20T12:26:59Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > He was a representative of the Maesters ? I believe someone addressed him as “Grand Maester.” ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/194 "2019-05-20T12:28:37Z")
I see that people (here, at least) are less dissapointed by this episode than they were with the previous one. Honestly, I’m wondering why. There was a great scene : Danaerys adressing her soldiers as the evil queen (clad in black in the middle of the ruins, with ash falling, the wings of Drogon in the background, and announcing that she intend to conquer the world and " rule them all". The other scenes, in my opinion, ranged from bad to nonsentical to laughable. I’m perfectly fine with the fate of Danaerys, turning to the dark side and ultimately killed by John. Perfect ending for me. If only they had build the story better to bring us to this point. ☹ And her explanations wrt to her actions weren’t consistent. The whole thing should have flown more naturally and make sense. Another who doesn’t make sense is Jon. He looks like a complete idiot, is on the verge of following Dany just because she’s the queen, and needed a lot of convincing. Wasn’t he supposed to be aleader of men with a strong moral character? He doesn’t appear like this at all. Also, it’s too bad that they didn’t manage to depict him as deeply in love with Danaerys. He supposedly was, but it really never seemed so. If he had appeared to be torn between the horror of what Danny had done and his love for her, it would have been more dramatic. I assume that what we have been shown is supposed to be something like that, but it seemed more like “You really think that it’s that bad? But, but…shouldn’t we obey her anyway? Well, if you say so, maybe I should kill her. Or maybe not. Is it really right?” He seemed to have an IQ of 80, the moral sense of a turnip, and to be ready to follow whoever spoke last. Bran becoming king. Done well, well prepared, I guess it could have been a good ending. But the way it was presented, it’s the sudden crowning of one of the dullest characters of the show for no sensible reason whatsoever (because stories are really important? How does this make any sense?). As it was, it’s a terrible ending By the way, Bran seems to see the future too. And to be totally fatalist, saying to a couple people that they were exactly at the place they were supposed to be. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/195 "2019-05-20T12:31:59Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > I thought the reaction to Sam’s call for a people’s vote was disappointing too. It would have been nice if we could see the likes of Tyrion & Sansa laugh the idea off. Instead, we only saw secondary characters laugh. We simply cannot have medieval type characters we sympathize with disagree with the idea of democracy! Sansa was absolutely laughing, they even focused on her. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/196 "2019-05-20T12:46:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > Right before the show started, HBO ran a long promo on its new and upcoming series. They’re _really_ hoping that some of them achieve a fraction of the popularity of Game of Thrones. > > That was a teaser for the third season of Westworld. That was there, but before _that_ was a long promo for multiple series. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/197 "2019-05-20T13:05:44Z")
Amidst all the tying-up of loose threads and controversial goings-on, I could help but notice that Arya apparently has a collapsible telescope. A TELESCOPE! Forgive me for fixating on this, but Optics in Pop Culture is one of my interests, and the telescope seems out of place in this quasi-Medieval milieu. I hadn’t recalled seeing anything like it in previous episodes. Looking into it, I find in the _Wiki of Ice and Fire_ multiple references in the books to the “Far Eye”: > [@](#): > > A far-eye is a telescope consisting of a bronze tube with ground glass lenses at either end. The best far-eyes come from Myr and are referred to as Myrish eyes. > > Maesters Luwin and Aemon both uses far-eyes to observe the stars.[1] Aemon’s is mounted on a heavy tripod.[2] > > Recent Events > > A Dance with Dragons > > When Victarion Greyjoy captures the Myrish cog Dove, he takes its captain’s Myrish eye, which was constructed out of a series of interconnected brass tubes so as to be collapsible.[3] > > 1. A Game of Thrones, Chapter 5, Jon I. > 2. A Storm of Swords, Chapter 69, Jon IX. > 3. A Dance with Dragons, Chapter 63, Victarion I. > **[Myrish eye](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Far-eye)** > > A Myrish eye\[1\]\[2\] or Myrish lens tube\[3\]\[4\] is a telescope consisting of a bronze tube with ground glass lenses at either end. They include larger devices which can be attached to tripods for observatories\[5\] and smaller monoculars useful for... It still seems out of place because, even granting that in George R.R. Martin’s mad-up world things might get invented at different times, you don’t have technology like that existing in a vacuum. Nobody in the books or the TV series, for instance, has eyeglasses, or uses a magnifier, or anyone of the other precursors to telescopes we’ve seen in real history. Don’t tell me about supposed Medieval or Classical telescopes – I’ve seen and heard the arguments, and the evidence is woefully lacking. Ancient telescopes _could_ have been invented. But (Azeem’s leather-bound telescope in _Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves_ and the fevered possibilities suggested in “The Crystal Lens” notwithstanding) there’s not really any evidence for them ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/198 "2019-05-20T13:27:15Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Jon Snow killing Daeneris: Sure. I’m okay with that. But he was allowed to walk into her presence wearing a sword and a dagger? That’s not supposed to happen. And once he stabbed her, Drogon should have burned him to ash. And how in the hell is a dragon supposed to understand that the real villain is a throne made of swords? I get that an angry/sad dragon just has to burn something, and if the guy who killed your Mom won’t do because he has crazy strong plot armor, you just have to take our your dragony frustrations on the nearest big metal chair, I guess. I’m just going to fanwank that as she left Drogon guarding the entrance to the throneroom (who’s getting past a dragon?), and Jon Snow passed the “worthiness” test. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/199 "2019-05-20T13:30:07Z")
Jon Snow didn’t appear to be joining the Night’s Watch, but heading north with the freefolk to live as a sort of Mance Rayder character. Do, I have that right? ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/200 "2019-05-20T13:32:27Z")
Jon killing Danaerys does not make sense in any shape or form imo. It would be so out of character and we have not seen anything extraordinary that would break a character like Jon to decide to kill "his queen’. He is a loyal person and theres no way he would turn on her just because she razed a city… Is it me or didnt Jon also hated Kings landing for what they did to his family (The starks)? He loved her, without any other evidence of cruelty shown by her at that point what motive would he have to kill her? Plus he is no angel, he killed people too, did we forget when he behaded the kid back a few seasons? Plus he knew he could control her as he wanted because she was so in love with him. Wouldnt it been better if he stayed at her side and keep her in check? Bad bad writing, it makes no sense, and at point I lost interest in the episode and just waited for it to be over because the show jumped the shark… and it didnt disapointed… what happened after was laughable. They ended this show being a joke. The resolution was mediocre. Extremely disapointed with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204.md?page=11)