# Game of Thrones 8.06 "The Iron Throne" 5/19/2019 Show Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204 "2019-05-19T21:21:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/321 "2019-05-20T19:41:46Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > I was thinking more in terms of the stabbee talking about how they can fix this together and going in for a hug that ends fatally, but thank you so much for pointing out that a father and an aunt aren’t identical, captain obvious. :rolleyes: I mentioned a crapload of differences, including most crucially that Han knew the stab was coming. Your focus on dad/aunt is your own silliness. The two are only alike in the most superficial of ways. > [@DigitalC](#): > > One thing that bothered me was how easy Jamie and Cersei were to find. When they died it seemed the whole castle collapsed on them, when Tyrion found them it looked like all they had to do was move a little to the side and they would have been perfectly fine. Well, Cersei at least, Jamie was still super stabbed. Agreed. That was a pretty silly scene. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But speaking of that - this is a world where the dead can be resurrected, and Drogon flew Daenerys away to who knows where. She could easily show up again, which a knife wound to the heart just like Jon’s. That would be so cute, and give them one more thing in common. GRRM would never write that, but TV people would. Even if that’d be bad story structure, Bran can’t know that. It’s pretty smart for him to look out for Drogon, just to make sure Dany stays dead. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/322 "2019-05-20T19:42:05Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I really did not see a Tolkien ending at all. That small council scene could have easily been episode one of a brand new show. The north is independent, the iron islands are pissed, you can bet Dorne is too, the reach can’t be happy about having Bronn as a leader. The feeling I got from that ending is that the game is going to continue unabated, not that everything is well. Everyone is tired of war… for now, but the board is set up and ready to go. Nothing in the last episode hints at this. Only Yara expressed any anger at all, and she quickly backed down. Everyone else seemed totally cool with the arrangement. And there ‘should’ have been representatives from other houses in the small council, instead of fan favorite nobodies. I think you are projecting a future based on what GRRM would have written, but the show definitely had a ‘peace descends on the land’ vibe going. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/323 "2019-05-20T19:42:18Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > In the end the big villain is Bran… > He knew what Danny was going to do in KL and didnt say anything so that he could become king. I though about that too. I would have liked that to be a little more spelled out… a Keyser Soze type reveal that only the audience sees (and no I don’t mean him getting out of his wheelchair LOL), just a clear signal to the audience that he’s been using his powers to play everybody all along and perfectly set things in motion to become King. I think that would have added a nice ominous tone to round out the happy endings. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/324 "2019-05-20T19:43:39Z")
> [@](#): > > But speaking of that - this is a world where the dead can be resurrected, and Drogon flew Daenerys away to who knows where. She could easily show up again, which a knife wound to the heart just like Jon’s. That would be so cute, and give them one more thing in common. GRRM would never write that, but TV people would. Spin-off city! _Night of the Walking Daenerys._ _How To Raise a Dragon Owner_ ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/325 "2019-05-20T19:43:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But speaking of that - this is a world where the dead can be resurrected, and Drogon flew Daenerys away to who knows where. She could easily show up again, which a knife wound to the heart just like Jon’s. That would be so cute, and give them one more thing in common. GRRM would never write that, but TV people would. I guess Drogon is the only one who remembers the Red Priestess who thought Daenerys was Azor Ahai. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/326 "2019-05-20T19:44:54Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > What I didn’t understand is why the Dothraki understood her speech. I guess they’ve spent enough time in the company of Unsullied to pick up some Valyrian? She addressed the Dothroki first in their language, then the Unsullied in Valyrian. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/327 "2019-05-20T19:47:50Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > :rolleyes: I mentioned a crapload of differences, including most crucially that Han knew the stab was coming. Your focus on dad/aunt is your own silliness. The two are only alike in the most superficial of ways. And I meant that it’s bloody obvious to everybody that the characters in Star Wars are not the same as the characters in Game of Thrones since they are very different settings and therefore silly to harp on about, but that the scenes themselves, which was what I was talking about, were similarly shot. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/328 "2019-05-20T19:49:32Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > And I meant that it’s bloody obvious to everybody that the characters in Star Wars are not the same as the characters in Game of Thrones since they are very different settings and therefore silly to harp on about, but that the scenes themselves, which was what I was talking about, were similarly shot. Two people hugged, one stabbed the other? Okay. It’s not like The Force Awakens invented that, but if you think that’s a solid basis for snark, cool beans. Everything else (motives, moment in the story, who was the protagonist/antagonist, onlookers, consequences) were different, but cool beans. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/329 "2019-05-20T19:50:57Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > In the end the big villain is Bran… > He knew what Danny was going to do in KL and didnt say anything so that he could become king. Can he see the future? I thought his powers were limited to what has happened. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/330 "2019-05-20T19:53:02Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Sorry if this has already been mentioned. Danaerys gives her we-will-now-conquer-the-world speech in High Valeryan which neither Tyrion nor Jon speak. Yet when Tyrion is talking with Jon in his prison cell, he refers to what she said as if both he and Jon understood it. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Tyrion speaks some Valyrian; he was shown in a number of scenes butchering the language to various people. It wouldn’t surprise me that he can understand it better than he can speak it…so I can accept that he got the gist of the speech even if he didn’t catch every word. > [@DrCube](#): > > I assume Tyrion understands some High Valyrian. Also, Tyrion had a hard road from the Purple Wedding on, all of it through Essos, until they sailed back west. He would have had to have picked up some Valyrian. > [@Polerius](#): > > I don’t have the context for this. Why did Sansa feel entitled to order her uncle like that? > [@Ashtura](#): > > Because she didn’t like him and knew nobody else did either. He was set up from the beginning to be an incompetent blowhard. > [@Declan](#): > > Sansa has an Army Also because Sansa Stark has gravitas and people have learned to take her seriously. Not the case with Edmure Tully. And he knew it as soon as she told him to sit down. Really, I have to say that overall, one of the things that has become my favorite about this show is Sophie Turner’s portrayal of Sansa. I believed her character every step of the way, from naive child to hardened leader. If I want to know anything about what happens to these characters, I want to know about Sansa. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/331 "2019-05-20T19:53:11Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Nothing in the last episode hints at this. Only Yara expressed any anger at all, and she quickly backed down. Everyone else seemed totally cool with the arrangement. And there ‘should’ have been representatives from other houses in the small council, instead of fan favorite nobodies. I think you are projecting a future based on what GRRM would have written, but the show definitely had a ‘peace descends on the land’ vibe going. It was only peace because everyone has been completely crippled by war. Not because they are all ok with how things are. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/332 "2019-05-20T19:58:23Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Can he see the future? I thought his powers were limited to what has happened. They were a bit wishy washy with this. I would have said, no, he can’t see the future, but then he gave that line of “why else would I be here?” which indicates he expected it. I think, possibly, that if you know everything that’s happened in the past, it would give you enough of an insight into the world that you could predict the future with amazing accuracy. Then again, his vision into the past seems limited too. He saw Rhaegar and Lyanna get married, but he _didn’t_ see Rhagar get an annulment, Sam had to tell him that? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/333 "2019-05-20T20:01:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Two people hugged, one stabbed the other? Okay. It’s not like The Force Awakens invented that, but if you think that’s a solid basis for snark, cool beans. Everything else (motives, moment in the story, who was the protagonist/antagonist, onlookers, consequences) were different, but cool beans. Not even the first time it happens on this show, that was how Ramsay killed Roose. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/334 "2019-05-20T20:01:50Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It was only peace because everyone has been completely crippled by war. Not because they are all ok with how things are. Where in the episode was that shown? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/335 "2019-05-20T20:02:06Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Then again, his vision into the past seems limited too. He saw Rhaegar and Lyanna get married, but he _didn’t_ see Rhagar get an annulment, Sam had to tell him that? That’s what I was on about earlier–Whisperer tells him the approximate where/when to look, Bran can then find the specific info and context. Awwww…shiiittt. Obvious answer: Tyrion & Bran planned all this out by the fireplace before the war with NK! ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/336 "2019-05-20T20:06:01Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > That’s what I was on about earlier–Whisperer tells him the approximate where/when to look, Bran can then find the specific info and context. > Awwww…shiiittt. Obvious answer: Tyrion & Bran planned all this out by the fireplace before the war with NK! YES! Tyrion is Mr. Kobayashi! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/337 "2019-05-20T20:07:27Z")
It just occurred to me that according to the White Book everybody still thinks Tyrion killed Joffrey. With all the those involved and Jaime dead, does anybody else know? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/338 "2019-05-20T20:07:37Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Can he see the future? I thought his powers were limited to what has happened. When Tyrion asked if he would be king, he said “why do you think I came all this way?”. So he apparently knew what was going to happen there. When Jon told him that he was sorry he didn’t help him with the Night King, he said Jon was just where he was supposed to be. So he at least knew how all that was playing out. Which is why he didn’t seem very concerned sitting there waiting for Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/339 "2019-05-20T20:11:22Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It just occurred to me that according to the White Book everybody still thinks Tyrion killed Joffrey. With all the those involved and Jaime dead, does anybody else know? The White Book describes members of the Kingsguard. Do you mean A Song of Ice and Fire? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/340 "2019-05-20T20:12:27Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It just occurred to me that according to the White Book everybody still thinks Tyrion killed Joffrey. With all the those involved and Jaime dead, does anybody else know? Besides Bran, you mean? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204.md?page=18)