# Game of Thrones 8.06 "The Iron Throne" 5/19/2019 Show Discussion

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**Created:** [May 19, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204 "2019-05-19T21:21:26Z")\
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> [@Snarky\_Kong](#):
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> The White Book describes members of the Kingsguard. Do you mean A Song of Ice and Fire?

The white book, it was under Jamie’s listing that Joffrey was killed by Tyrion. Written by Jamie himself unless i am mistaken.

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> [@DigitalC](#):
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> The white book, it was under Jamie’s listing that Joffrey was killed by Tyrion. Written by Jamie himself unless i am mistaken.

Huh, I missed that.

It said something like “failed to protect his king, who was poisoned?”

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**Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/343 "2019-05-20T20:14:16Z")

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> [@silenus](#):
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> It just occurred to me that according to the White Book everybody still thinks Tyrion killed Joffrey. With all the those involved and Jaime dead, does anybody else know?

Sansa does. Littlefinger showed her the poisoned beads in the headpiece she got from Olenna.

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> [@DrCube](#):
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> Speaking of dropped into the void, what the hell was Howland Reed doing all this time?

Sitting between Sam and Edmure I assume.

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> [@Snarky\_Kong](#):
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> Huh, I missed that.
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> It said something like “failed to protect his king, who was poisoned?”

[Here you go.](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2019-05-19-at-11-48-13-pm-1558324417.png?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=768:*)

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**Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/346 "2019-05-20T20:24:38Z")

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> [@silenus](#):
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> It just occurred to me that according to the White Book everybody still thinks Tyrion killed Joffrey. With all the those involved and Jaime dead, does anybody else know?

Sansa knows who did it. Tyrion knows he didn’t do it. They may have told others, who may or may not have believed them.

Both Jaime and Cersei knew who did it, but I don’t remember if they told anybody else. I imagine that Qyburn probably knew. Varys, as well.

Doesn’t seem like it much mattered. Jaime found out that Olenna did it, and he told Cersei, and that was the last time it was mentioned as far as I remember.

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**Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/347 "2019-05-20T20:39:52Z")

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I just watched it. What an incredible ending it would’ve been if they hadn’t half-assed the whole Mad Queen thing.

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**Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/348 "2019-05-20T20:40:33Z")

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> [@Dale\_Sams](#):
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> Sitting between Sam and Edmure I assume.

Jeez. I thought that guy was going to be the lynch pin of the entire endgame of the series. At the very least, as an eyewitness to confirm Jon’s parentage, if not to bring his comparatively rested and intact army to help save Winterfell. But nope. He gets to hesitantly say one word, “aye”, in the very last episode?

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> [@Telperion](#):
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> On the bright side, I guess they’re a natural fit for Star Wars since they cribbed Dany’s death scene from Force Awakens.

Actually, they cribbed it from [Roose Bolton’s death scene when he was stabbed by Ramsay.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2SWhQumejY) Ok, they didn’t embrace, but they were characters with a close relationship in which one betrayed it to stab the other. And like the scene between Jon and Dany, it wasn’t immediately clear who was doing the stabbing.

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> [@DrCube](#):
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> He gets to hesitantly say one word, “aye”, in the very last episode?

I was giggling because The Raven had more than three ayes that afternoon.

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> [@Dale\_Sams](#):
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> Sitting between Sam and Edmure I assume.

The cast list for the episode list the others present at the Dragon Pit meeting as Lord Une (from the Stormlands and sitting next to Gendry), Unnamed Prince of Dorne, Unnamed Riverlands Lord, Unnamed Vale Lord, and Unnamed Northern Lord. Howland Reed is not listed in the credits (or at least, the actor who previously played him isn’t).

Given that nearly all of the known members of most houses have been killed off, it’s not surprising that the others are characters we haven’t seen before. But it would have made sense if Howland Reed had shown up.

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Is “Unnamed Vale Lord” supposed to be Robin, the young boy who was being breastfed at an uncomfortably advanced age?

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Double take … Robin Arryn?

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Yeah, looks like —

Robyn Arryn’s Glow-Up Shocked Fans Watching The Series Finale Of ‘Game Of Thrones’

> **[Robyn Arryn's Glow-Up Shocked Fans Watching The Series Finale Of 'Game Of...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robyn-arryn-glow-up-game-of-thrones_n_5ce226fee4b00e035b92dfc4)**
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> The Lord of the Vale grew up and his appearance in the show's final episode had fans calling him "hot" and a "snacc."

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> As many on social media noted, Robyn Arryn “got hot.” Many also quipped that his penchant for breastfeeding as a preteen must’ve helped. Twitter is an odd place, what can we say?
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> Anyway, here are some tweets about Robyn’s glow-up:
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> the biggest twist of game of thrones was robyn arryn becoming a snacc  
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> Robyn Aryn glowing up was the real shock twist of #GameOfThornes
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> the best part about the finale was by far seeing Robyn Arryn’s glow up.
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> My favorite part of #GameOfThrones is that Robyn Arryn got a Neville Longbottom-esque glow-up and I’m really happy for him.
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> Ummm, on a lighter note, can we take a moment to honor Robyn Arryn’s GLOW UP!!! Is this ACTUAL PROOF of the effects of breastfeeding later in life!!! I mean, they ARE awesome so…

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Looks like Howland Reed was in just 1 episode (it was a vision of Bran from the past) so it would be pretty unlikely they would go to the trouble of bringing him back.

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“Glow up”?? I mean, I get what they’re trying to say, but when did that become a phrase?

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> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> Is “Unnamed Vale Lord” supposed to be Robin, the young boy who was being breastfed at an uncomfortably advanced age?

No. Robin Arryn is named in the credits, as is Yohn Royce, another Vale Lord. There is evidently another Vale Lord in the group, to the right of Royce.

Robin Arryn is actually the longest-serving head of a Great House in the series, becoming the head of House Arryn when his father Jon was poisoned prior to the beginning of the very first episode.

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> [@DrCube](#):
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> “Glow up”?? I mean, I get what they’re trying to say, but when did that become a phrase?

I had to Google that phrase and snacc 🙂

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> [@Bijou\_Drains](#):
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> Looks like Howland Reed was in just 1 episode (it was a vision of Bran from the past) so it would be pretty unlikely they would go to the trouble of bringing him back.

I just thought that Ned’s most supportive bannerman, and the only living person who knows Jon’s heritage firsthand without having to use magic, as well as the father of greenseer Jojen Reed and Bran’s protector Meera would merit more than a single short flashback scene in the entire series. And GRRM promised he would show up in the books, so I assumed he’d be important. Apparently D&D didn’t think so.

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you mean Reed will be in the 2 books that are never coming out?

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