# Game of Thrones 8.06 "The Iron Throne" 5/19/2019 Show Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204 "2019-05-19T21:21:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/121 "2019-05-20T03:29:29Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > It would make money, so yes. and what other show has ever redone a season due to some fans throwing a tantrum? ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/122 "2019-05-20T03:31:34Z")
That was some painfully clunky writing. Dany morphs into Hitler with an appropriate black Nazi outfit. Jon successfully auditions to be the star of Dumb and Dumber. Tyrion has to convince Jon that Dany is not actually good which is blindingly obvious to everyone else. Fortunately after Jon kills Dany, Drogon takes out his anger on the throne because a dragon would certainly understand the symbolism of the throne, right? And it gets worse from there with painful jokes about brothels and a slow boring ending. I was hoping Drogon would burn the script because I was starting to fall asleep at the end. What a disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/123 "2019-05-20T03:32:12Z")
The apparition and speech of black clad Danaerys, with the wings of Drogon behind her, the ashes raining and the bloodthirsty Dothrakis screaming is just grand. The evil queen in all her splendor. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/124 "2019-05-20T03:32:58Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > and what other show has ever redone a season due to some fans throwing a tantrum? Again, it would make money. Nothing else really matters. Call it a tantrum if you want, but the season still sucked. And nothing else really matters. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/125 "2019-05-20T03:34:23Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Fortunately after Jon kills Dany, Drogon takes out his anger on the throne because a dragon would certainly understand the symbolism of the throne, right? I think so, yes. They’ve been said to be smarter than people. So I think that’s exactly what it was–_That damn thing has taken everything from me!_ ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/126 "2019-05-20T03:35:14Z")
It’s really a great scene. It’s a shame that they didn’t bring us there in a better way. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/127 "2019-05-20T03:36:36Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Again, it would make money. Nothing else really matters. > > Call it a tantrum if you want, but the season still sucked. And nothing else really matters. I doubt it would. It wouldn’t get half the viewers it had this season. You’d get morbid curiosity for the first ten minutes of the first ep. And who TF is gonna play Tyrion? It would play like the shittiest fan Trek film. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/128 "2019-05-20T03:37:16Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Again, it would make money. Nothing else really matters. > > Call it a tantrum if you want, but the season still sucked. And nothing else really matters. What matters is the actors have moved on to other jobs and so has the crew. They cannot just snap their fingers and start filming again with a new script. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/129 "2019-05-20T03:38:27Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I doubt it would. It wouldn’t get half the viewers it had this season. You’d get morbid curiosity for the first ten minutes of the first ep. And who TF is gonna play Tyrion? > > It would play like the shittiest fan Trek film. Yeah, if they can’t get the actors, it’d fall through. But if they could, people would watch it. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/130 "2019-05-20T03:39:02Z")
Bran: Why did you think I came all the way here? So he may have not wanted it, but he \*expected \*it, and he was not going to run from it. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Did winter come? It’s unclear. There are hints that the Night King brought the winter, to a degree, and then it snowed in King’s landing, so we could have the visual of the snowy throne room from the prophecy, but then a few weeks later it looks warm again. No indication that we’re in for a big continent-wide superwinter, and if we are, it’s pretty dickish to force the wildlings back up north of the wall. Briefly we are shown a green sprout breaking through the snow. So who knows (which could be the motif of the whole episode). > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > A way, way too nice death, considering her crimes. But that’s part of the deal with this story: major players who have done terrible things end up getting mundane deaths. Because a grand death would probably please them. > [@](#): > > Oh, right, the dragon will let Jon just walk by, the Unsullied will let him just walk by, the Dothraki – well, hell, were they even around? And then Dany lets Jon walk right up to her and embrace her…and, again, the whole threat vanquished with a single dagger thrust. > … > > P.S. Really, what’s happening with the Dothraki? They showed us the Unsullied sailing off. Are we supposed to assume the Dothraki will just leave, too? I suppose it’s possible the Dothraki may have felt that OK, now that the Khaleesi is gone, we are not going to stick around to serve some Westerner – Especially if many of them saw the dragon flying away into the storm and/or the dragon-melted throne and would take it as an omen that this was not worth it. Plus I feel that otherwise they probably would not have long tolerated Grey Worm’s attitude and would at some point have said “we owed loyalty to our Khaleesi not to some vindictive eunuch” then he’d tell them they have to obey and they’d say FTS, make us, and headed home. As to Jon and Tyrion’s continued existence, Dothraki and Unsullied alike may have said to themselves, if the dragon melted the throne, and spared Jon, _and_ took away the prime piece of evidence, that’s some sort of sign – even Grey Worm would understand that without a Queen/King to give the order, he could not put princes to their deaths. He is still at least influenced by Dany’s peculiar sense of what is “justice”. Once there IS a king, he tries to insist on demanding “justice”, only to have Bran exert alternative sentencing. Then \*the Unsullied \*say FTS and leave. Notice he refuses to take Jon before the council of princes, wisely perceiving that he can’t take the chance that they’d acclaim Jon on sight. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/131 "2019-05-20T03:39:32Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > What matters is the actors have moved on to other jobs and so has the crew. They cannot just snap their fingers and start filming again with a new script. Did anybody mention anything about finger snapping? Or is that similar to a _tantrum_? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/132 "2019-05-20T03:40:53Z")
I liked it. Jon killing Dany was the only believable way to do it. He broke the wheel when she could not. Do the haters think the broad outlines of the last two seasons didn’t come from GRRM? Jon killing Dany and Bran on the throne were certainly what he intended. Do you think he didn’t have any idea how the books ended before he stopped writing? Or that D&D just ignored his outline? I think this outcome is largely the way GRRM would have written it. With better dialog, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/133 "2019-05-20T03:40:59Z")
Let’s bet on whether or not they redo the season. I bet $1 billion dollars they don’t , OK? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/134 "2019-05-20T03:42:06Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Let’s bet on whether or not they redo the season. I bet $1 billion dollars they don’t , OK? Sure, you’re on. Who’s going to hold your money? Nah, I don’t expect them to actually do it, but I’d love it if they did. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/135 "2019-05-20T03:42:54Z")
Wow! And useless Jon keeps defending her. But an idiot to such an extent isn’t in character. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/136 "2019-05-20T03:43:37Z")
Maybe they could have a whole tantrum network for redos of Sopranos, Dexter, Lost , Veep, and so on. Now that could be a money maker!! ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/137 "2019-05-20T03:44:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I liked it. Jon killing Dany was the only believable way to do it. He broke the wheel when she could not. > > Do the haters think the broad outlines of the last two seasons didn’t come from GRRM? Jon killing Dany and Bran on the throne were certainly what he intended. Do you think he didn’t have any idea how the books ended before he stopped writing? Or that D&D just ignored his outline? > > I think this outcome is largely the way GRRM would have written it. With better dialog, perhaps. I doubt that’s what GRRM had in mind. Or, if it was, they fucked up the execution. They spent way too much time showing that Bran is not really Bran anymore and that he mostly lives in the past without any likes or dislikes to have any interest in being Lord Stark. But he’s fine with being King Stark. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/138 "2019-05-20T03:44:51Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Jon successfully auditions to be the star of Dumb and Dumber. Tyrion has to convince Jon that Dany is not actually good which is blindingly obvious to everyone else. I mean… the writing has been dumber lately, but it’s not that dumb. Obviously it’s not that Jon doesn’t know whether what she did was bad or not, it’s that he’s torn by being honor bound by his fealty to her and thinking through the consequences of killing her. And he’s emotionally coming to terms with what happened - that he supported and facilitated someone who murdered hundreds of thousands of people. You’re declaring it to be way dumber than it actually is. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/139 "2019-05-20T03:48:39Z")
Bran literally says at one point “I’m not Lord of Winterfell, I can’t be Lord of anything, anymore” or something along those lines. So without a change of heart or some sort of development it seems inconsistent to put him in that position. He’s basically considered himself above politics and above interacting in the world in a normal way, then suddenly he’s fine with being king. Doesn’t really ring true. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204/140 "2019-05-20T03:49:39Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I mean… the writing has been dumber lately, but it’s not that dumb. Obviously it’s not that Jon doesn’t know whether what she did was bad or not, it’s that he’s torn by being honor bound by his fealty to her and thinking through the consequences of killing her. You’re declaring it to be way dumber than it actually is. Dudes…dudettes…if I loved someone and they turned around and did something like that…and then sounded semmmmmi-sane after?? Yeah, I’d be conflicted too. If Dany had crafted her talk with Jon better, I think Jon may have not done it. It went from “Im never gonna get her to see that what she did was bad to…ok, imma have to kill her” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-8-06-the-iron-throne-5-19-2019-show-discussion/834204.md?page=8)