# Game of Thrones, A Golden Crown, 5/22/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824 "2011-05-22T22:54:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/181 "2011-05-24T22:46:57Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t think anyone in the show _has_ made that connection. Well, we don’t know how much Jon Arryn figured out before he died. But all Ned suspects so far is that Robert isn’t the father of his queen’s children. Doh…good point. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/182 "2011-05-25T00:19:02Z")
Does Robert suspect or know that he’s not the father of his wife’s children? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/183 "2011-05-25T00:24:30Z")
He would have chopped all their heads immediately if he did. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/184 "2011-05-25T00:29:22Z")
But if if was so obvious to Ned, why wouldn’t it have occurred to Robert at any point to wonder about the hair color? Perhaps the answer is simply that he’s too drunk too much of the time but the previous Hand (Arryn?) figured it out, said something to the wrong person and was killed as a result. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/185 "2011-05-25T00:31:47Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > But if if was so obvious to Ned, why wouldn’t it have occurred to Robert at any point to wonder about the hair color? Perhaps the answer is simply that he’s too drunk too much of the time but the previous Hand (Arryn?) figured it out, said something to the wrong person and was killed as a result. It wasn’t obvious to Ned. Ned spent months thinking about this and investigating it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/186 "2011-05-25T00:35:48Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > It wasn’t obvious to Ned. Ned spent months thinking about this and investigating it. And Ned only got on the right track because he was following the Jon Arryn death mystery, and basically hand held by Baelish through all the steps. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/187 "2011-05-25T00:41:09Z")
Also, Robert owes ‘half his kingdom in debt’ to the Lannisters. He’d not win any war he started there. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/188 "2011-05-25T01:06:28Z")
Does anyone think Martin just doesn’t like blondes? The Lannisters and Viserys Targaryen have got to be some of the most despicable characters on TV on Sunday night. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/189 "2011-05-25T01:15:24Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Does anyone think Martin just doesn’t like blondes? The Lannisters and Viserys Targaryen have got to be some of the most despicable characters on TV on Sunday night. Tyrion and Danys are blondes, seem quite likable. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/190 "2011-05-25T01:19:30Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I too was mystified about the claim he fought dishonorably. Did I miss something that is the sword fighting equivalent of a low blow? I think “honorable” would have meant charging in and striking blows on one another’s sword and shield until you missed and hit the other person’s neck instead. Bronn, IIRC, struck his opponent several times on the back and below the belt (literally), not trying to strike killing blows but instead trying to weaken his opponent before the final takedown. He also, as others said, didn’t stand and fight; his running away looked cowardly, and no honorable knight would retreat like that in a battle. It probably wasn’t in the rules because it was unthinkable for a knight to behave in such an unchivalrous fashion. If Bronn were a knight, there’d probably be severe social repercussions for his behavior (consider Lyssa’s words to him and their horrified contempt); but he’s not a knight, so there’s no real downside for him. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/191 "2011-05-25T01:31:07Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Tyrion and Danys are blondes, seem quite likable. Oh, I wouldn’t call Tyrion _likable_. But Danys seems O.K.. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/192 "2011-05-25T02:10:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Oh, I wouldn’t call Tyrion _likable_. But Danys seems O.K.. Tyrion’s not exactly a saint, but I think he’s immensely likeable. He’s also one of the only characters who has any real intellect. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/193 "2011-05-25T02:38:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Tyrion’s not exactly a saint, but I think he’s immensely likeable. He’s also one of the only characters who has any real intellect. That doesn’t make him likable. He’s rude, crude, uncivil, foul-mouthed, bitter and nasty. Which is why he’s a favorite of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/194 "2011-05-25T04:28:22Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > That doesn’t make him likable. He’s rude, crude, uncivil, foul-mouthed, bitter and nasty. Which is why he’s a favorite of mine. And cunning. You forgot cunning. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/195 "2011-05-25T04:30:35Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > That doesn’t make him likable. He’s rude, crude, uncivil, foul-mouthed, bitter and nasty… Wouldn’t you be, with a family like his? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/196 "2011-05-25T04:40:08Z")
And he’s still, by far, the most likeable member of his family. If you got plunked down in Westeros, is there anyone you’d rather party with? ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/197 "2011-05-25T05:59:13Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > (On Earth, red hair fades as you age, unless you resort to henna.) Yes, but not until you’re much older than Catelyn, like your 60s…at least judging from all the older redheads I know, including my mom. The one I knew in her 70s said she had started out my color (a mid-range coppery red) and still had strawberry blonde hair, so it looks like it takes a damn long time to fade all the way to white. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/198 "2011-05-25T06:40:52Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If you got plunked down in Westeros, is there anyone you’d rather party with? Khal Drogo 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/199 "2011-05-25T07:33:48Z")
Dothraki parties seem rather unsettling… ‘A Dothraki wedding without at least three deaths is considered boring’, and all that. Anyway, there’s a good reason for Ned to assume Jaime’s Joffrey’s father, now that he knows it’s not Robert - the attempt on Bran. ‘Why would the Lannisters try to kill Bran? Because he caught Cercei with her lover, obviously. So, her lover’s in the King’s entourage. Who was she seen with around the time Bran had his fall…?’ A little elimination, and…it’s incest! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/200 "2011-05-25T08:09:14Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Khal Drogo 😃 Just don’t take him up on any offers of jewelry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824.md?page=11)