# Game of Thrones, A Golden Crown, 5/22/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824 "2011-05-22T22:54:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Spectralist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Spectralist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectralist)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/81 "2011-05-23T23:16:00Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > One question about something Khal Drogo said, although since I also saw the seventh episode this morning via the HBO Go service, this might have been from there, so I’ll spoiler-box this: > > Khal Drogo said something about wooden horses that cross the sea (i.e., ships) but did he also say something about wooden horses crossing the sky (i.e., planes)? It was indeed from the seventh episode. Minor spoiler from 7th episode, the line was: “Wooden horses that fly across the sea.” Meaning boats. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/82 "2011-05-23T23:23:04Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > If anyone in Westeros invents ‘a chair that folds’ everyone is in for a world of hurt. > > -Joe Chuckles. ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/83 "2011-05-24T01:33:34Z")
HBO had announced availability of advance previews of next week’s episode 7. I came to this thread to report that at their website, although setting up a username is necessary and one must already subscribe to HBO, one can view episode 7 - _You Win Or You Die_ - in its entirety! All 57mins of it! Quite good, am watching it right now! eta, they announced “an early premiere”, not advanced preview. I took this to mean preview highlights, not the entire episode. The misunderstanding is mine. ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/84 "2011-05-24T01:49:00Z")
Now I see there’s already a thread started on this. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/85 "2011-05-24T02:15:15Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I really loved the _clank_ as Visery’s head hit the floor. Yeah, that made me laugh. Didn’t quite ruin the scene, but…it didn’t help it. (Don’t think there was anything on the floor for it to clank _against_, either.) Totally thought the fight between Bronn and Vardis was going to end differently than it did. ‘Oh, the Moon Door is in the floor, is it? Guess we know how Bronn’s going to win this fight, don’t we?’ Was actually surprised Vardis didn’t fall through until after Bronn killed him. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/86 "2011-05-24T02:27:20Z")
> [@the lone cashew](#): > > HBO had announced availability of advance previews of next week’s episode 7. I came to this thread to report that at their website, although setting up a username is necessary and one must already subscribe to HBO, one can view episode 7 - _You Win Or You Die_ - in its entirety! > All 57mins of it! > > Quite good, am watching it right now! > > eta, they announced “an early premiere”, not advanced preview. I took this to mean preview highlights, not the entire episode. The misunderstanding is mine. An FYI, you cannot get HBO Go unless your cable provider has signed a specific deal with HBO about the streaming service. Mine (Charter) hasn’t done the deal yet, so even though it carries HBO on its cable service and I subscribe to it, I can’t get streaming HBO. ---
**Author:** ![gladtobeblazed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@gladtobeblazed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gladtobeblazed)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/87 "2011-05-24T02:36:42Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > BTW, am I the only one who’s glad he’s gone? I found his character not only irritating, but hard to believe. Scrawny little whiner who can’t seem to plan his way out of a paper bag. He was my favorite character. Demented, ruthless and pathetically incompetent. Just the way I like 'em. 🙂 He was a legitimate heir to the Seven Kingdoms. It was interesting to see just how far people would put up with him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/88 "2011-05-24T02:40:01Z")
> [@Justin\_Credible](#): > > Sansa, of all people, had my favorite line this week. > > “Oh wait…I just realized…I don’t care.” I hated that line. It sounded way too modern to me. It’s not clever either, just a common angsty teenager being a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/89 "2011-05-24T02:40:30Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > An FYI, you cannot get HBO Go unless your cable provider has signed a specific deal with HBO about the streaming service. Mine (Charter) hasn’t done the deal yet, so even though it carries HBO on its cable service and I subscribe to it, I can’t get streaming HBO. You might want to double check if you can get it - I have Charter and have been happily watching HBO Go on my iPad and computer for a few weeks now. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/90 "2011-05-24T02:42:33Z")
There were actually times I could empathize with Viserys. Not sympathize, mind you, but empathize. Reminded me, especially that last little speech, of Baltar in the rebooted BSG series. ---
**Author:** ![araminty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@araminty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/araminty)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/91 "2011-05-24T03:05:14Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > After watching the episode again i gotta say i am impressed in the job they did uglying up the gorgeous Natalia Tena to play a wilding. Ha! I knew it! Tonks from Harry Potter! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/92 "2011-05-24T03:07:14Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > You might want to double check if you can get it - I have Charter and have been happily watching HBO Go on my iPad and computer for a few weeks now. Just spent 20 minutes wrangling with their customer support desk. Apparently it just became available in locally on May 17, and I am now signed up!! Whoo hoo. Thanks!. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/93 "2011-05-24T03:07:36Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I was very surprised that Tyrion could walk away from those charges with a trial by combat of champions. Cate must have understood that, and she would seem to be smart enough to realize that it might have ultimately been resolved by combat between Jaime and Ned. > > And I have to question what they mean by “the King’s justice” when it could all be resolved without the king. > > Note: I’m not asking anyone to post spoilers in response to this. I’m just sharing my thoughts. That’s why Tyrion kept glancing around to his audience while he was talking. If it had been just Lyssa and Cat and Robin, well I think he would have been SOL. But with all the Vale nobles standing around watching, she was honor bound to follow the law. > [@DigitalC](#): > > That is true i guess, but Bronn seemed to be in control throughout most of the fight. Was anyone else surprised at how graphic the golden crowning was? i was not expecting to see so much. I was actually surprised at how graphic it wasn’t. He died very quickly, no melting eyes, no hair on fire… they’ve had a LOT of really graphic death in this show, I wasn’t really phased by this one - but I was EXPECTING to be! > [@Biggirl](#): > > Which reminds me: the Starks have the Dire wolf and the Targaryans have the dragon. Do any of the other houses have signature animals/plants/things mentioned? All of them. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Ned’s realization, after Sansa’s offhanded remark of Joffrey being nothing like King Robert, was well done. I was really pleased with how the reveal went. I wasn’t sure how they were going to do the whole “inner dialogue/realization” scene on screen, I really liked how they did it. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, almost everyone seems to be taking the part about Joffry being the son of Jamie in stride. Was that not a big reveal, or were we who never read the book supposed to already have figured this out? Sure, there was the hint of the possibility, but not a clear indication that it was so. Well, we saw Jaime and Cersei screwing in what, the first episode? That sort of jumps the gun - hard to be shocked the kids are his after that. > [@Lantern](#): > > The character is obviously meant to be intensely unlikeable but I don’t think he is unrealistic. He is pretty much what you would expect if you put a very privileged child through intense humiliation and hardship. His background has given him enormous ambitions but he doesn’t have the skills to match, skills that he would have normally learnt from older males in his family and court. We should also remember that his father was known as the Mad King and was a psychopath, and that there’s been lots of inbreeding in that line. Can’t be too surprising that Viserys was totally off-kilter, given both his personal and family background. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/94 "2011-05-24T03:12:38Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I hated that line. It sounded way too modern to me. It’s not clever either, just a common angsty teenager being a bitch. She’s not angsty. She’s snobby. She does get angsty, after Ned tells her ‘you’re going back to Winterfell’, but the problem **here** is she’s sure she knows exactly where she belongs - at the top - and that she’s going to get there, since she’s Joffrey’s betrothed. Almost everybody is, thus, below her. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/95 "2011-05-24T03:16:27Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > Well, we saw Jaime and Cersei screwing in what, the first episode? That sort of jumps the gun - hard to be shocked the kids are his after that. I agree. This one was telegraphed. > [@Tengu](#): > > She’s not angsty. She’s snobby. She does get angsty, after Ned tells her ‘you’re going back to Winterfell’, but the problem **here** is she’s sure she knows exactly where she belongs - at the top - and that she’s going to get there, since she’s Joffrey’s betrothed. Almost everybody is, thus, below her. But I agree that the phrasing of her quip sounded too contemporary. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/96 "2011-05-24T03:23:40Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > After watching the episode again i gotta say i am impressed in the job they did uglying up the gorgeous Natalia Tena to play a wilding. > [@araminty](#): > > Ha! I knew it! Tonks from Harry Potter! Oh, hey…cool…just noticed this reference…wasn’t paying enough attention to the Wildling scene, as I was getting food, but…Tena actually looks very much like how I pictured Osha when reading the book. Prettier, yeah, but ‘like Natalia Tena, but rather more hard ridden’ is a good description of how I imagined her. Awesome that they cast her. (She doesn’t look how I pictured _Tonks_, on a different note.) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/97 "2011-05-24T03:36:23Z")
I loved the farewell that Theon Greyjoy got. Was that woman the prostitute that we’ve been seeing since Tyrian arrived in Winterfell? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/98 "2011-05-24T03:44:27Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > She’s not angsty. She’s snobby. She does get angsty, after Ned tells her ‘you’re going back to Winterfell’, but the problem **here** is she’s sure she knows exactly where she belongs - at the top - and that she’s going to get there, since she’s Joffrey’s betrothed. Almost everybody is, thus, below her. I thought she was angsty because Joffrey had been ignoring her up until then. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/99 "2011-05-24T04:30:55Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I loved the farewell that Theon Greyjoy got. Was that woman the prostitute that we’ve been seeing since Tyrian arrived in Winterfell? Yes, I think so. And the one Jon Snow remembered being alone with, but not sleeping with, in his wistful “I’m a virgin, too” chat with Samwell. Nitpick: It’s “Tyrion.” ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824/100 "2011-05-24T05:59:51Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I hated that line. It sounded way too modern to me. It’s not clever either, just a common angsty teenager being a bitch. Agreed. That line sounded like modern teenager snark rather than anything Sansa would say. I thought the best line was Bronn’s after being accused of not fighting with honor. “No. He did”. As for the parentage reveal, it’s more obvious in the show than it is in the book. In the book we are of course told that Jaime, Cersei and her kids all have blonde hair but in the show we see it in every scene they are in. It makes a big difference. I am curious as to when the newbies figured it out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-a-golden-crown-5-22-11/582824.md?page=6)