# Game of Thrones, Baelor, 6/12/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243 "2011-06-12T20:19:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/221 "2011-06-15T14:17:23Z")
He didn’t seem all that concerned that Sansa was right freaking there though. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/222 "2011-06-15T14:26:21Z")
Not much he could have done about that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/223 "2011-06-15T14:43:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > He didn’t seem all that concerned that Sansa was right freaking there though. Sansa’s cool. She was probably thinking about Joffery on a unicorn or something. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/224 "2011-06-15T15:12:16Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Sansa’s cool. She was probably thinking about Joffery on a unicorn or something. I think you’re giving her too much credit. The idea that she could hold two different things in her head at once has no on-screen proof whatsoever. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/225 "2011-06-15T15:32:40Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Sansa’s cool. She was probably thinking about Joffery on a unicorn or something. Oh, guess you didn’t see the same show that I did… ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/226 "2011-06-15T19:25:50Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Agreed. He’s like that planet’s Most Interesting Man in the World. > > “I don’t always cut mens’ heads open, but when I do - I wear armor. Stay armored, my friends.” lol ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/227 "2011-06-15T20:23:27Z")
Am I the only one who sees Jorah and thinks “Duncan Idaho”? Or sees Jamie and thinks “Face”? I was going to add: sees Ned and thinks “Boromir”, but that’s not quite fair, since it is the same actor. ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/228 "2011-06-16T01:07:40Z")
I was jarred out of the show by seeing glass goblets. I have no idea whether medieval tech would have been able to come up with this perfectly matched set. I’m certain the show has been using using metal up till now. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/229 "2011-06-16T01:50:45Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I was jarred out of the show by seeing glass goblets. I have no idea whether medieval tech would have been able to come up with this perfectly matched set. I’m certain the show has been using using metal up till now. Glass blowing was invented over two thousand years ago. They would certainly have the technology in GoT. Only royalty would be able to afford it, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/230 "2011-06-16T03:33:43Z")
:eek: :eek: :eek: I finally caught up with this episode and holy crap I was not expecting that!! I thought for sure Arya was going to stab Joffrey or something. Oh my God! Wow I applaud them for going there, but daaaamn! I thought for sure Ned would live past this season since he’s the star and the best known actor of the series! ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/231 "2011-06-16T14:53:52Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Glass blowing was invented over two thousand years ago. They would certainly have the technology in GoT. Only royalty would be able to afford it, I’m sure. I figured it would be something like that. It just looked so modern it jarred me. My own uninformed expectation. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/232 "2011-06-16T15:54:48Z")
I think of Prince Charming from the Shrek movies when I see Jaime. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/233 "2011-06-16T15:58:52Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I think of Prince Charming from the Shrek movies when I see Jaime. THAT’S who he reminds me of. I’ve been trying to figure it out all season. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/234 "2011-06-16T16:27:10Z")
I apologize, I’ve not read the entire thread here (it’s 5 pages long, and thus beyond my attention span), but the death of Ned puts this show in the class of “completely uninteresting” for me. There’s no other character that I care about, except the sword-fighting girl daughter and (possibly) the son on the wall. However, once the show has demonstrated that they can kill off the only sympathetic character, they’ve lost me. If, in the next episode, a huge tsunami killed off off the other characters, I wouldn’t care. So, why bother to watch a show when I don’t care about the fate or activities of any of the characters? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/235 "2011-06-16T16:31:19Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > I apologize, I’ve not read the entire thread here (it’s 5 pages long, and thus beyond my attention span), but the death of Ned puts this show in the class of “completely uninteresting” for me. There’s no other character that I care about, except the sword-fighting girl daughter and (possibly) the son on the wall. However, once the show has demonstrated that they can kill off the only sympathetic character, they’ve lost me. > > If, in the next episode, a huge tsunami killed off off the other characters, I wouldn’t care. So, why bother to watch a show when I don’t care about the fate or activities of any of the characters? Because the writer made you care about a character and moved you to such an extent that you’re willing to write off the show because of the pain? You don’t think that writer (or group of writers) has any more to tell you? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/236 "2011-06-16T16:32:29Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > THAT’S who he reminds me of. I’ve been trying to figure it out all season. He was also the immortal guy from New Amsterdam, a short lived but fairly awesome TV series a couple seasons ago. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/237 "2011-06-16T16:32:41Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I was jarred out of the show by seeing glass goblets. I have no idea whether medieval tech would have been able to come up with this perfectly matched set. I’m certain the show has been using using metal up till now. At the Wall and Winterfell, and even at King’s Landing, we’ve seen a lot of mugs that appear to be carved animal horn, probably from aurochs, which are mentioned in the books quite a bit. You can spot them easily, because they tend to “lean” to one side or the other. I noticed the glass, too, and thought, what the hell? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/238 "2011-06-16T16:33:54Z")
> [@Estilicon](#): > > It is not unrealistic. As an example see the death of [Jacques of Molay](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_Molay#Death), the last Templar Grand Master. > > " “The cardinals dallied with their duty until March 19, 1314, when, on a scaffold in front of Notre Dame, Jacques de Molay, Templar Grand Master, Geoffroi de Charney, Master of Normandy, Hugues de Peraud, Visitor of France, and Godefroi de Gonneville, Master of Aquitaine, were brought forth from the jail in which for nearly seven years they had lain, to receive the sentence agreed upon by the cardinals, in conjunction with the Archbishop of Sens and some other prelates whom they had called in. Considering the offences which the culprits had confessed and confirmed, the penance imposed was in accordance with rule—that of perpetual imprisonment. The affair was supposed to be concluded when, to the dismay of the prelates and wonderment of the assembled crowd, de Molay and Geoffroi de Charney arose. They had been guilty, they said, not of the crimes imputed to them, but of basely betraying their Order to save their own lives. It was pure and holy; the charges were fictitious and the confessions false. Hastily the cardinals delivered them to the Prevot of Paris, and retired to deliberate on this unexpected contingency, but they were saved all trouble. When the news was carried to Philippe he was furious. A short consultation with his council only was required. The canons pronounced that a relapsed heretic was to be burned without a hearing; the facts were notorious and no formal judgment by the papal commission need be waited for. That same day, by sunset, a pile was erected on a small island in the Seine, the Isle des Juifs, near the palace garden. There de Molay and de Charney were slowly burned to death, refusing all offers of pardon for retraction, and bearing their torment with a composure which won for them the reputation of martyrs among the people, who reverently collected their ashes as relics.” You seem to be making my point. Ned could have declined to confess and could have taken the moment to instead announce publicly the incest of the queen and the illegitimacy of Joffrey. Killing him afterward wouldn’t put that cat back in the bag. Why would the queen take such a chance? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/239 "2011-06-16T16:36:06Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > You seem to be making my point. Ned could have declined to confess and could have taken the moment to instead announce publicly the incest of the queen and the illegitimacy of Joffrey. Killing him afterward wouldn’t put that cat back in the bag. Why would the queen take such a chance? Do you automatically believe the rantings of a traitor against your new king? I see no reason why the crowd would believe Ned. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243/240 "2011-06-16T16:38:06Z")
They had his daughter hostage. If he’d done that, the Lannisters would have killed Sansa too. There’s also no guarantee that the crowd would have believed him. The Lannisters could have just dismissed him as a traitor trying to lie to save his own skin. It probably would have been an emotional kick in the nuts to Joffrey, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-baelor-6-12-11/585243.md?page=13)