# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/181 "2011-04-29T01:12:28Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I remember coming to this conclusion myself but it’s been so long that I forget why. Why is Tyrion the third head? Two reasons: He dreams of dragons, and he’s fucking _Tyrion_. (The evidence is scant, but overwhelmingly compelling.) > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Isn’t the baby Aegon? Did Rhaegar name two of his sons Aegon? Ah, you’re right. I’m forgetting Maester Aemon’s revelation in the latest book: Rhaegar was mistaken about his own family. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/182 "2011-04-29T05:06:53Z")
There was some foreshadowing of Tyrion’s interest in dragons in the Game of Thrones when he travels to the wall. I was hoping they would mention it briefly in the episode but they didn’t. It’s still probably important though and Tyrion could emerge as some kind of dragon trainer. Or if he is on the other side he has to figure out how to take them down. IIRC there was some reference to a high iron content in dragon skeletons or something and I wonder if magnets will play a role. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/183 "2011-04-29T09:15:07Z")
The talk about Littlefinger made me go back to AGOT and reread his background, because I didn’t remember him clearly (it’s been over ten years since I read it). I was a bit startled to see that he’s not yet 30 years old when Cat journeys to King’s Landing, which makes Cat even younger than that. In the show, she looks every bit of 50. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/184 "2011-04-29T13:03:39Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > So Telivision Without Pity has a thread for people that never read the books. By the second page they already have R+L=J figured out. Damn. Rhaegar has never even been mentioned. This is pure bs. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/185 "2011-04-29T14:06:12Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Rhaegar has never even been mentioned. This is pure bs. Not true: “What her father did to your family, that was unspeakable. What Rhaegar Targaryen did to your sister, the woman I loved.” - Robert to Ned at the “picnic” in the 2nd episode. And he’s on the [hbo.com](http://hbo.com) “viewer’s guide” Targaryen family tree, so.. it’s remotely possible. But I still agree that it’s likely BS. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/186 "2011-04-29T15:10:04Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > I read a sample chapter from DWD that had this about the wolves, in one of Jon’s chapters: > > The white wolf padded along the man trail beneath the icy cliff. The taste of blood and bone and sinew was on his tongue, and his ears rang to the song of the hundred cousins, but he had lost his other brother, grey-furred and smelling of the sun. Once they had been six, five whimpering blindly in the snow beside their dead mother, and him alone, the pale one, crawling off into the trees on shaky legs as his litter mates sucked cool milk from hard dead nipples. Now only four remained of the six born that day, and one of those was lost and gone. > > Speculation about passage: > > Robb’s wolf and Sansa’s wolf are dead, so neither of them are part of the pack now. Who is the lost and gone one? I suppose the obvious answer is Nymeria/Arya, Could it be Rickon/Shaggywolf? Shaggywolf has basically acted nutso from the beginning and has not really demonstrated any pack-like tendencies. I’ve been wondering when we’ll find out the consequences of Ned killing Lady, or if there will be any. Robb kept Grey Wind around, but a lot of good it did him. There is some little hint that he made the wolf secondary because his in-laws didn’t care for it, but come on. From the passage, I assumed… That Arya’s wolf was the lost and gone one, just meaning it was seperated from its master. Rickon’s wolf is only wild because he was too young to properly train it. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/187 "2011-04-29T15:44:20Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > So Telivision Without Pity has a thread for people that never read the books. By the second page they already have R+L=J figured out. Damn. Up until one point, they were actually going with (and some still are) Robert + Lyanna. Considerably more understandable and non-spoiler-based. Or Ned + Cersei (yeah, I don’t know either). ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/188 "2011-04-29T17:38:28Z")
It seems to me that HBO has painted themselves into a bit of a corner. The current season is called simply “Game of Thrones”. What do they call next season? If they just call it “Clash of Kings”, it seems like you’d lose a lot of the casual audience who would have no reason to know that it’s a continuation. You can advertise only so much. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/189 "2011-04-29T17:51:02Z")
What did they call the second season of _Deadwood_? I’d guess they might stick with _Game of Thrones II_, etc. The name is a bit snappier than _A Song of Ice & Fire_. And I’ve heard tell one of the later books might be split into two seasons. This reader of the series would understand & no non-readers would be confused. (Although I’ll bet that, as this season ends, many of those non-readers will head to the bookstore. Or Amazon…) ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/190 "2011-04-29T18:07:31Z")
Why wouldn’t they keep calling it Game of Thrones? It’s not like there’s anything wrong with the title–who ends up atop the Iron Throne is pretty much the central theme of the series. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/191 "2011-04-29T18:17:29Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > It seems to me that HBO has painted themselves into a bit of a corner. The current season is called simply “Game of Thrones”. What do they call next season? If they just call it “Clash of Kings”, it seems like you’d lose a lot of the casual audience who would have no reason to know that it’s a continuation. You can advertise only so much. They didn’t call it Game of Thrones because it’s the title of the first book, they called it that because it fits better with the story than the very cryptic and barely even touched upon “Song of Fire and Ice”. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/192 "2011-04-29T18:21:45Z")
Oh yeah, there still plenty of players left in the Game of Thrones to keep that title. I don’t quite understand all the speculation about Jon’s parents. Why couldn’t it just be Ned and some chick? Even if he is a Targaryan, what of it? I don’t see him leaving the Wall. But, if Jon’s father is someone other than Ned, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cat actually did know that. Maybe that’s why she was so strongly against Robb legitimizing him; because she knew he wasn’t even a Stark. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/193 "2011-04-29T21:58:00Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > Or Ned + Cersei (yeah, I don’t know either). I can see how people who hadn’t read the book might come up with that — the scene where Cersei told Cat that she had had a dark-haired son who didn’t survive, and Cat’s astonished reaction. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/194 "2011-04-29T22:06:24Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Even if he is a Targaryan, what of it? That is a question worth exploring. The obvious reason for concealing it is so Robert won’t kill him, but what happens later if Dany invades with her dragons? Could Jon take them away from her? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/195 "2011-04-29T22:10:53Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Rhaegar has never even been mentioned. This is pure bs. Right, they thought it was the previous Targ king. They just think Rhaegar and Aerys are the same person. So no, not bs. I’ll take your apology at any time. Post #39, btw. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/196 "2011-04-29T22:18:10Z")
I don’t believe THEM, what the hell does that have to do with you? ---
**Author:** ![rhubarbarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eb9ed0/32.png) [@rhubarbarin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhubarbarin)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/197 "2011-04-29T22:19:15Z")
> [@brocks](#): > > The talk about Littlefinger made me go back to AGOT and reread his background, because I didn’t remember him clearly (it’s been over ten years since I read it). > > I was a bit startled to see that he’s not yet 30 years old when Cat journeys to King’s Landing, which makes Cat even younger than that. In the show, she looks every bit of 50. Isn’t he supposed to be at least 3 or 4 years younger than Cat? In the flashbacks of their growing up together, he is still a boy and small for his age when she is preparing to be married. Lysa is closer to his age, and always had feelings for him, but he ignored her in favor of Cat, until after Cat married Ned and left home (and then Petyr had sex with Lysa and got her pregnant IIRC). ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/198 "2011-04-29T22:21:18Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t believe THEM, what the hell does that have to do with you? I misread your quote. Sorry about that. The guys that speculate don’t mention him by name. Just the one that kidnapped Lyana. Sorry again. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/199 "2011-04-29T23:10:37Z")
> [@rhubarbarin](#): > > Isn’t he supposed to be at least 3 or 4 years younger than Cat? In the flashbacks of their growing up together, he is still a boy and small for his age when she is preparing to be married. If you could cite those passages, I’d be glad to look at them. The passages I’m talking about are early in GOT, when Cat is arriving by ship at King’s Landing. “He was my father’s ward. We grew up together in Riverrun. I thought of him as a brother, but his feelings for me were . . . more than brotherly. When it was announced that I was to wed Brandon Stark, Petyr challenged for the right to my hand. It was madness. Brandon was twenty, Petyr scarcely fifteen. I had to beg Brandon to spare Petyr’s life. He let him off with a scar. Afterward my father sent him away. I have not seen him since.” A few pages later, Littlefinger’s age is given as “still shy of thirty,” and he was 15 well before Cat married Ned, so Cat can’t have been married more than 14 years, if that. It just doesn’t seem realistic that she would have been over 18 before being engaged, or even that she would be older than an undersized Littlefinger, if he was serious enough about her to fight a duel for her. I would guess 14 as a more realistic age for her at the time of her engagement to Brandon, and so about 28 for her age when AGOT begins. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/200 "2011-04-29T23:17:01Z")
Random question here. This page: [http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Game-of-Thrones-Houses-infographic-Westeros-101-f.jpg](http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Game-of-Thrones-Houses-infographic-Westeros-101-f.jpg) (which is apparently not official-from-HBO) lists Jaime as “heir to Casterly Rock”, but didn’t he give up his inheritance when he joined the Kingsguard? I remember this being a point of contention between him and Twyin: basically it handed everything to Tyrion, who Twyin was determined to not let inherit. Presumably he could retire from the Kingsguard and be reinstate to his previous status by royal fiat, but baring that, he’s not the heir, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=11)