# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/341 "2011-05-04T05:55:36Z")
It’s a shame that hilarious post will be deleted. I love how the spammer actually discussed the topic. ---
**Author:** ![ZYPeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9f8e36/32.png) [@ZYPeng](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZYPeng)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/342 "2011-05-04T06:18:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/343 "2011-05-04T13:45:51Z")
Help me clear up the situation regarding Jeyne Westerling and her mother. Are we to believe that her mother had some deal worked out \*all along \*with Tywin Lannister and that she was giving Jeyne moon tea while Robb was trying to produce an heir? Jeyne mentions drinking some fertility drink that her mother prepares for her every morning. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/344 "2011-05-04T14:06:33Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > It’s a shame that hilarious post will be deleted. I love how the spammer actually discussed the topic. What’d he say? ---
**Author:** ![Enilno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Enilno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enilno)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/345 "2011-05-04T14:11:18Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Help me clear up the situation regarding Jeyne Westerling and her mother. Are we to believe that her mother had some deal worked out \*all along \*with Tywin Lannister and that she was giving Jeyne moon tea while Robb was trying to produce an heir? Jeyne mentions drinking some fertility drink that her mother prepares for her every morning. I believe that’s the impression we’re meant to have. Tywin was playing both sides, using the Westerlings to break up Robb’s marriage pact to the Freys, and then using that to get Walder Frey on his side. However, I’ve read some speculation that the mother may be playing a deeper game. She did not know of (or at least claimed not to know) the Frey part of the plot, so I’m not sure what she thought she could have offered the Lannisters that would have gotten her off the hook for betraying them. Just saying that, ‘hey, I was on your side all a long, just pretending to side with the enemy’ doesn’t seem like it’s going to be enough for someone like Tywin. Plus, it’s hinted that Jeyne’s grandmother is Maggy the frog, so the Westerlings may have a bigger part to play in the story. One theory that I don’t really buy is that the mother is just lying and that Jeyne actually is carrying Robb’s heir. Doesn’t seem too likely to me but you never know. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/346 "2011-05-04T14:12:07Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Help me clear up the situation regarding Jeyne Westerling and her mother. Are we to believe that her mother had some deal worked out \*all along \*with Tywin Lannister and that she was giving Jeyne moon tea while Robb was trying to produce an heir? Jeyne mentions drinking some fertility drink that her mother prepares for her every morning. Yes, but it’s more complex than that. Her mother’s mother is from Asshai, just like Mellisandre and the dragon eggs. There’s a much deeper game being played here. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/347 "2011-05-04T14:14:20Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > What’d he say? He commented that he thought it was funny that Cer and Cat were of similar age in the books but Cat appears much older in the show. And then he spammed Asian porn, I think. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/348 "2011-05-04T14:56:33Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > He commented that he thought it was funny that Cer and Cat were of similar age in the books but Cat appears much older in the show. And then he spammed Asian porn, I think. 🙂 It was just a bot. It cut-and-pasted the text from one of [**Hazelnuts** earlier posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13728579&postcount=108), and stuck in some links for porn. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/349 "2011-05-04T15:07:13Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > It was just a bot. It cut-and-pasted the text from one of [**Hazelnuts** earlier posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13728579&postcount=108), and stuck in some links for porn. ☹ I am disappoint. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/350 "2011-05-04T15:17:49Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > It was just a bot. It cut-and-pasted the text from one of [**Hazelnuts** earlier posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13728579&postcount=108), and stuck in some links for porn. By Cat’s Tyrion logic, we should immediately have Hazelnuts’s account banned for being an asian porn spambot! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/351 "2011-05-04T15:28:57Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > …asian porn spambot! Dare I say it? Band name! Some more questions: - Is Westeros an island or a peninsula? Do we (or they) even know? - How was the Wall built, anyway? Was magic involved? Seems too gargantuan to have been done otherwise, given the tech of the day. - Why patrol north of the Wall at all? Who cares what the wildlings do amongst themselves? Is it from the mindset that the best defense is a strong offense, keeping the wildlings from getting their act together and attacking en masse? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/352 "2011-05-04T15:36:39Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Is Westeros an island or a peninsula? Do we (or they) even know? It’s a continent. Someone posted a link to a great map earlier in the thread. The damn thing’s as long north to south as the US from Manhattan to LA! > [@](#): > > How was the Wall built, anyway? Was magic involved? Seems too gargantuan to have been done otherwise, given the tech of the day. We’re never actually told that. It was built by the same Brandon the Builder that Old Nan was telling stories about this past episode (I assume. That’s if the series follows the books right there.) > [@](#): > > Why patrol north of the Wall at all? Who cares what the wildlings do amongst themselves? Is it from the mindset that the best defense is a strong offense, keeping the wildlings from getting their act together and attacking en masse? That and they have to clear the no-man’s-land…the NW isn’t supposed to let the forest grow within half a mile of the Wall so they have a clear field of view to catch anyone (or any army) sneaking up on it. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/353 "2011-05-04T15:41:37Z")
First one is available in maps. Its a continent, not an island. I wouldn’t be surprised if during a really bad winter, someone could walk from continent to continent by walking on ice. Number two is a non-tv spoiler that we aren’t allowed to talk about, even though its pretty unimportant. As for number three, I think its more actual patrolling - they are watching for all the scary supernatural stuff out there. The wildlings are like any other people - get enough of then pissee off and working together, they’re a threat. The white walkers, though, as Old Nan told Bran this week were a THREAT. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/354 "2011-05-04T15:43:28Z")
Oops.Wrong thread. Wall was raised by magic. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/355 "2011-05-04T18:06:01Z")
This is driving me nuts - I just hit the place in my re-read of the first book where Robert is dying, Ned has his seal to be Protector, and he’s deciding what to do. WHY doesn’t he tell Renly?? He was going to tell Robert, and now Robert is dying. He altered his Protector letter to say “heir” instead of “my son, Joffrey,” so that he has the legal right to chuck the kid. Renly is IN the room with him when Robert takes the milk of the poppy and falls unconscious. Why not tell him? Or why not tell him when Renly comes to him and promises 100 swords and to take the Lannister kids into custody? Why does he sneak around? He gave Cercei PLENTY of time to flee if she was going to. It was obvious at that point that he’d have to mount some sort of offensive and have a plan if he was going to prevent Joffrey being on the throne. He writes to Stannis, why not tell Renly? He’s a legitimate member of the king’s family and he’s offering his help. In fact, why not convene the entire small council and lay it out openly? It seems so bloody out of character that Ned becomes sneaky with all this, when he didn’t even have the sense not to tell CERCEI that he knew. :-/ ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/356 "2011-05-04T18:07:04Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Oops.Wrong thread. > > Wall was raised by magic. > > -Joe Does it say that in the books, or is that an interview tidbit? In one of Jon’s sections on the Wall, they talk about how the NW used to go north to the frozen lakes, chip out giant blocks of stone and winch them up to make the Wall taller. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/357 "2011-05-04T19:02:30Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > This is driving me nuts - I just hit the place in my re-read of the first book where Robert is dying, Ned has his seal to be Protector, and he’s deciding what to do. > > WHY doesn’t he tell Renly?? > > He was going to tell Robert, and now Robert is dying. He altered his Protector letter to say “heir” instead of “my son, Joffrey,” so that he has the legal right to chuck the kid. Renly is IN the room with him when Robert takes the milk of the poppy and falls unconscious. Why not tell him? > > Or why not tell him when Renly comes to him and promises 100 swords and to take the Lannister kids into custody? > > Why does he sneak around? He gave Cercei PLENTY of time to flee if she was going to. It was obvious at that point that he’d have to mount some sort of offensive and have a plan if he was going to prevent Joffrey being on the throne. He writes to Stannis, why not tell Renly? He’s a legitimate member of the king’s family and he’s offering his help. In fact, why not convene the entire small council and lay it out openly? > > It seems so bloody out of character that Ned becomes sneaky with all this, when he didn’t even have the sense not to tell CERCEI that he knew. :-/ The Starks’ stubborn pride and sense of honor is their greatest weakness. It’s such a weakness that it’s not even admirable, it just gets them killed. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/358 "2011-05-04T19:35:49Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > The Starks’ stubborn pride and sense of honor is their greatest weakness. It’s such a weakness that it’s not even admirable, it just gets them killed. Lawful Stupid. Although we’ve had that discussion before… ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/359 "2011-05-04T19:46:33Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > The Starks’ stubborn pride and sense of honor is their greatest weakness. It’s such a weakness that it’s not even admirable, it just gets them killed. My problem is that he tells Littlefinger. Clearly he’s got no issue telling Baelish - why the hell doesn’t he tell Renly? Especially when Renly is literally offering him support? ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/360 "2011-05-04T20:02:22Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > My problem is that he tells Littlefinger. Clearly he’s got no issue telling Baelish - why the hell doesn’t he tell Renly? Especially when Renly is literally offering him support? Would that have changed anything? Renly sees the situation correctly. He knows Cersei will make her move if they do not. Whether it’s _right_ to make a move is immaterial; he knows the Lannisters are playing for keeps. Eddard just refuses to see it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=19)