# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![TheBoltEater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@TheBoltEater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheBoltEater)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/421 "2011-05-07T03:57:35Z")
> [@brocks](#): > > For what it’s worth, in AGOT, just a couple paragraphs after Tyrion tells Bronn the story of his marriage: > > " He dreamt of the sky cell. This time he was the gaoler, not the prisoner, _big_, with a strap in his hand, and he was hitting his father, driving him back, toward the abyss . . . " Good pull, I certainly hadn’t remembered that. But I don’t think Tyrion would _really_ have killed his own father until he found out the truth about Tysha. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/422 "2011-05-07T13:24:55Z")
I tried watching the first episode of the show yesterday and I had to stop it, because I couldn’t stand how old Sansa is. Seriously, the only way her character makes sense is if she’s 13! This big grown up girl is going to make those dumb decisions? I understand why they felt they had to do it, but I thought this shit was HBO? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/423 "2011-05-07T14:04:05Z")
Uh how old do you think she is? she doesn’t look any older than 13 to me. Hell, she hasn’t even had her period yet. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/424 "2011-05-07T14:10:21Z")
She’s like ten feet tall! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/425 "2011-05-07T14:11:33Z")
Sorry, i just don’t see it. She looks like a pre-teen to me. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/426 "2011-05-07T14:27:46Z")
I’ve been spending a lot of time with teenagers lately (sixteen, even, not even 13) and they are a LOT younger looking than that Sansa. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/427 "2011-05-07T15:07:15Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > I’ve been spending a lot of time with teenagers lately (sixteen, even, not even 13) and they are a LOT younger looking than that Sansa. [Sophie Turner](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Sophie_Turner) was 14 at the time of filming. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/428 "2011-05-07T15:37:01Z")
Seriously? Well, I’m still annoyed. 🙂 Of course that might be because I expected to be watching these with my boyfriend, with whom I just broke up, and am looking for something to be annoyed by. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/429 "2011-05-07T16:28:33Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Seriously? Well, I’m still annoyed. 🙂 > > Of course that might be because I expected to be watching these with my boyfriend, with whom I just broke up, and am looking for something to be annoyed by. So, the reason you stopped watching the first episode is because you couldn’t stand the apparent age of a character? AND you were wrong about it? How special. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/430 "2011-05-07T16:42:32Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > I tried watching the first episode of the show yesterday and I had to stop it, because I couldn’t stand how old Sansa is. Seriously, the only way her character makes sense is if she’s 13! This big grown up girl is going to make those dumb decisions? I understand why they felt they had to do it, but I thought this shit was HBO? I’m pretty sure Sansa’s 11 in the first book. She doesn’t have a 13th nameday until Storm of Swords. They aged all the kids up a year or two for the show. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/431 "2011-05-07T18:27:11Z")
Yeah, having a 13 year old Dany railed by Khal Drogo until she couldn’t walk straight wasn’t going to fly. The Stark and Lannister kids aren’t involved in much sex though. Robb’s character is probably the one that suffers the most. He doesn’t look like he should be very overwhelmed in a battle. The “young wolf” moniker will ring a little hollow. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/432 "2011-05-07T19:40:01Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > This is driving me nuts - I just hit the place in my re-read of the first book where Robert is dying, Ned has his seal to be Protector, and he’s deciding what to do. > > WHY doesn’t he tell Renly?? > > He was going to tell Robert, and now Robert is dying. He altered his Protector letter to say “heir” instead of “my son, Joffrey,” so that he has the legal right to chuck the kid. Renly is IN the room with him when Robert takes the milk of the poppy and falls unconscious. Why not tell him? > > Or why not tell him when Renly comes to him and promises 100 swords and to take the Lannister kids into custody? > > Why does he sneak around? He gave Cercei PLENTY of time to flee if she was going to. It was obvious at that point that he’d have to mount some sort of offensive and have a plan if he was going to prevent Joffrey being on the throne. He writes to Stannis, why not tell Renly? He’s a legitimate member of the king’s family and he’s offering his help. In fact, why not convene the entire small council and lay it out openly? > > It seems so bloody out of character that Ned becomes sneaky with all this, when he didn’t even have the sense not to tell CERCEI that he knew. :-/ I just reached this point in the book, and I agree with everything you say. I hate hate HATE it when an important plot point hangs on a smart character inexplicably acting stupidly, and IMO this more than qualifies. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/433 "2011-05-07T22:56:55Z")
Oh, I dunno. Not wanting to threaten the death of children fits in with Ned to me. Although it makes taking Theon as a ward a little odd. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/434 "2011-05-07T23:32:11Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Oh, I dunno. Not wanting to threaten the death of children fits in with Ned to me. Although it makes taking Theon as a ward a little odd. The Iron Men are long-known pirates and vikings (in the verbal sense of the word). Taking a hostage to guarantee good behavior on their behalf makes sense, even to someone like Ned. And Ned treated Theon like one of his own children. Cersei, on the other hand, is (at this point in the story) no more than the spoiled daughter of a noble family and the non-regnant queen. Ned expected her to flee with the children into exile rather than double down as she did. And even Cersei didn’t expect Joffrey to actually order Ned’s execution. Although I do still think, as I noted above, that Ned is Lawful Stupid, to borrow a term from table-top RPG culture. I just don’t think he’s Utterly Stupid. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/435 "2011-05-07T23:35:07Z")
It’s been forever since I read the books, so help me out here. Did Tywin ever actually twig to the parentage of Joff, Tom and Myrcella? Did we see his reaction? That part’s a little fuzzy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/436 "2011-05-07T23:35:33Z")
Anybody could have taken Theon. Agreed about everything else. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/437 "2011-05-07T23:37:36Z")
If he did it’s in the chapter that he sends Tyrion to be the Hand. I’m pretty sure it was never brought up explicitly, just Tyrion wondering what he thought about it. My thought is that he probably knows it’s true, but was doing to try for a massive coverup. Lots of bodies in the Narrow Sea. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/438 "2011-05-07T23:49:44Z")
I have not read any of the books, but I am not disturbed by the idea of seeing any spoilers. After seeing the first 3 episodes, I am particularly looking forward to two things, neither of which may happen. I want Ned’s youngest daughter to gut little Prince Joffrey and watch him die a slow painful death. I want the queen to be torn apart by dire wolves. That is all for now, except that the king doesn’t seem to recognize just how pussy-whipped he is. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/439 "2011-05-08T00:04:00Z")
Are you asking if either of those things actually happens? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/440 "2011-05-08T01:04:39Z")
No, just hoping they will. I will ask a more general question that I would like answered – does justice triumph? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=23)