# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/441 "2011-05-08T01:24:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > No, just hoping they will. > > I will ask a more general question that I would like answered – does justice triumph? We haven’t gotten there yet. The fifth book comes out in July, and I think there are two more after that. So we don’t know how everything ends up yet. I CAN tell you the short-term answer for the two you mentioned (though they’re not in the manner that you hoped for): Yes, and maybe. Whether the long-term, final answer is yes or not, like I said, we don’t know. Oh, and Robert isn’t pussy-whipped, as such. He’s noble-whipped. He doesn’t want to start any trouble with House Lannister (and especially Tywin, though Jaime’s role in Aegon’s death makes Robert keep an eye on him warily, too), so he generally defers to Cersei when the stakes aren’t too high (and the death of a dog isn’t high-stakes to a king, no matter who that dog belongs to). The Seven only know that Robert certainly doesn’t limit himself to Cersei’s favors, so he’s not deferring to her to maintain access to THAT. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/442 "2011-05-08T01:32:17Z")
I’m pretty sure George is on the record for saying the series will have a bittersweet ending. I think that’s about the best we could hope for. Life is irrevocably fucked for the Starks though. Both parents murdered, eldest brother murdered, home burned to the ground, etc. They’re generally the characters people root for, so having even a bittersweet ending probably means things are looking up. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/443 "2011-05-08T01:32:50Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > No, just hoping they will. > > I will ask a more general question that I would like answered – does justice triumph? Does everyone suffering lots count as justice triumphing? ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/444 "2011-05-08T01:33:23Z")
I can also tell you that for any given small-scale event, it may or it may not. There are lots of justice-not-triumphing bits in the books. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/445 "2011-05-08T03:09:23Z")
Eh, the most triumphant I would expect is if the Starks get to fuck back the people who fucked them over, even if the Starks (however many are left) are still a miserable, fucked-over lot. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/446 "2011-05-08T03:26:32Z")
Fuckin’ A! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/447 "2011-05-08T14:58:56Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > That is all for now, except that the king doesn’t seem to recognize just how pussy-whipped he is. He’s not whipped, he’s just lazy. He takes the easy way out, and so doesn’t bother fighting with Cersei on stuff like killing Lady. It’s just not worth his trouble - he’s got drinking and whoring to do. Plus, it’s possible that in the back of his head he keeps in mind that the Lannisters basically own the crown at this point. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/448 "2011-05-08T16:29:45Z")
One road to Pussy Whipdom is getting tired or arguing with your wife. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/449 "2011-05-08T16:31:12Z")
You think we’re going to get the scene where Robert smacks the shit out of Cersei? “I’ll wear this bruise as a badge of honor.” “You’ll wear it in silence or I’ll honor you again.” ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/450 "2011-05-08T17:36:33Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You think we’re going to get the scene where Robert smacks the shit out of Cersei? > > “I’ll wear this bruise as a badge of honor.” > “You’ll wear it in silence or I’ll honor you again.” If I recall correctly from reading spoilers, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/451 "2011-05-09T00:31:15Z")
Well, we’ll find out in an hour or so. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/452 "2011-05-09T02:02:15Z")
I thought they’d get to the melee. Maybe next episode. I’m not sure why they gave Littlefinger the Hound’s backstory. Apparently the actor killed that part in his audition. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/453 "2011-05-09T02:05:45Z")
Really outstanding episode, I thought. Particularly the ending. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/454 "2011-05-09T02:10:47Z")
Much more powerful when the Hound tells Sansa his story. Especially considering how their relationship evolves. Edited for time, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/455 "2011-05-09T02:13:52Z")
How much longer would it take? I guess it depends on how the next episode goes and how the tourney wraps up, but that seems like a pretty big thing to cut and something that wouldn’t take too much time. I guess in the big scheme of things Sandor isn’t that big of a character, but he’s a fan favorite. Oh, and Ghost shouldn’t growl! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/456 "2011-05-09T02:25:52Z")
Among the benefits of not having read the book is not knowing what I’ve missed and not being disappointed or even angered by the screen version. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/457 "2011-05-09T02:57:24Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Oh, and Ghost shouldn’t growl! At least they finally showed Ghost. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/458 "2011-05-09T03:05:22Z")
Nothing has angered me so far. The only issue I have is that they’re not showing Sansa as being awestruck. She has too much trepidation about her new surroundings, and if that keeps up she’ll really seem strange for selling out her entire family just for a chance at staying there. Hopefully the melee will get her head back to all the chivalry and songs. I bet we’ll finally get Loras next week. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/459 "2011-05-09T03:12:31Z")
Question(s) for those more knowledgeable than me: Did Tyrion actually have anything to do with the plot to kill her son (I didn’t think he did)? And does Lady Stark know this? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/460 "2011-05-09T03:13:24Z")
**Drain Bead** , please use spoiler boxes for things that the people who have read the books know but the people watching the TV show don’t. Thanks, **twickster** , Cafe Society moderator [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=24)