# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/521 "2011-05-10T01:59:36Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > [The Lannisters in happier times](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII) I’ve always loved that video because it’s soooooo lame it comes out the other end being entertaining. Then being said, I thought that it was going to be a video with the Osmonds. I still think Donnie and Marie had a Jaime/Cersei relationship. > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Also, I’m not even sure we’ve seen more than the one theoretical king’s son, Joffrey the Weasel. Oh, yeah, and the this last episode the bastard blacksmith son. If we’ve seen others it would have only been in passing for a moment, and none but Joffrey have had any significant role in the series so far. You have - there’s two other kids that belong to Cersei/Robert - they were in the dinner scene in Winterfel when Tyrion shows up and talks about his desire to go to The Wall and piss off the edge of the world. Princess Myrcella and…shit, I forgot the other son’s name. Both actually sweet kids. Ser Pounce! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/522 "2011-05-10T02:06:14Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’ve always loved that video because it’s soooooo lame it comes out the other end being entertaining. > > Then being said, I thought that it was going to be a video with the Osmonds. I still think Donnie and Marie had a Jaime/Cersei relationship. > … I was thinking the Partridge Family or the Brady Bunch. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/523 "2011-05-10T02:07:13Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’ve always loved that video because it’s soooooo lame it comes out the other end being entertaining. > > Then being said, I thought that it was going to be a video with the Osmonds. I still think Donnie and Marie had a Jaime/Cersei relationship. > -Joe They don’t have a midget though! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/524 "2011-05-10T02:10:20Z")
Their teeth could chew right through bone. Maybe there _was_ a midget, before they got hungry one day. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/525 "2011-05-10T02:15:32Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’ve always loved that video because it’s soooooo lame it comes out the other end being entertaining. > > Then being said, I thought that it was going to be a video with the Osmonds. I still think Donnie and Marie had a Jaime/Cersei relationship. > > You have - there’s two other kids that belong to Cersei/Robert - they were in the dinner scene in Winterfel when Tyrion shows up and talks about his desire to go to The Wall and piss off the edge of the world. Princess Myrcella and…shit, I forgot the other son’s name. Both actually sweet kids. > > Ser Pounce! > > -Joe Tommen. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/526 "2011-05-10T02:15:37Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t think it was hot air, Jamie would really try to take them all on, singlehandedly (heh) if he had too. He might have, I suppose, if he were pushed into a corner. He is definitely impulsive, and I suppose he was serious when he suggested to Cersei that they simply openly marry each other after Joff’s death. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/527 "2011-05-10T02:21:23Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > He might have, I suppose, if he were pushed into a corner. He is definitely impulsive, and I suppose he was serious when he suggested to Cersei that they simply openly marry each other after Joff’s death. There IS some royal precedent for that in Westeros. The Targaryens did it quite a bit. ETA: I assume you meant Robert’s death. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/528 "2011-05-10T03:15:43Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > He might have, I suppose, if he were pushed into a corner. He is definitely impulsive, and I suppose he was serious when he suggested to Cersei that they simply openly marry each other after Joff’s death. Also remember that Jaime just wasn’t a thinker. He’s a fighter that nobody can beat, and because of his family connections he can basically get away with anything. He gets what he wants. Why should this be any different? If Cersei had just said yes, Robert would have been run through minutes later. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/529 "2011-05-10T03:23:27Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > [The Lannisters in happier times](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII) Tyrion would kill anyone who made him dress like that. **jayjay** , the Targaryens might have gotten away with incestuous marriage, but Jamie and Cersei aren’t Targaryens. Like somebody else once said, somebody who has dragons can pretty much do whatever they want. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/530 "2011-05-10T03:59:55Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > It could be that Joff was hoping to implicate his uncle, as a bonus. Tyrion had probably aimed well-deserved slaps in his direction before that scene we witnessed. That would require the knife to have actually been Tyrion’s. I’m pretty sure it was Robert Baratheon’s though, he’s the one who won it from Littlefinger. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/531 "2011-05-10T04:09:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > [The Lannisters in happier times](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII) LOL. Thanks for that! ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/532 "2011-05-10T04:20:18Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > There IS some royal precedent for that in Westeros. The Targaryens did it quite a bit. > > ETA: I assume you meant Robert’s death. Jaime didn’t suggest going public until after Joff died. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/533 "2011-05-10T06:23:31Z")
What do people think of the writing? Though I disagree with a few of the changes like the Clegane story, overall I am impressed. I think most of the new writing has helped flesh out the characters while still keeping to the spirit of the original. A good example was the scene between Cersei and Joffrey in the last episode. It made Joffrey a touch more sympathetic because he clearly understands his own limitations. At the same time it showed his immaturity and hubris. It also contrasted nicely with the wonderful scene between Ned and Arya and showed the difference between the two families. In this episode I liked the scenes with Viserys and Thorne. Both of them are still jerks but the scenes help us understand where they come from and round them off a bit more than the books. Overall I think Episodes 3 and 4 in particular show that the writers clearly understand the books and have the confidence to deviate from them while still keeping to their spirit. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/534 "2011-05-10T12:04:30Z")
I’ve been happy with the writing for the most part. I think the dialogue comes across as true to the spirit of the books and the characters are all being developed properly with the possible exception of Sansa, who doesn’t seem infatuated with Joffrey and courtly life as she is in the books… ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/535 "2011-05-10T12:48:24Z")
Yes, Sansa is definitely off. Other than that, my biggest complaint is Gregor. Maybe when we see him standing next to others and not on a horse he’ll seem bigger. While he looks like a large man, he doesn’t seem to be exceptionally so. I guess another complaint, which will hopefully be rectified next episode is that the tournament has looked distinctly low budget so far. Now, from looking at my picture, can someone tell me the deal with the shields. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/536 "2011-05-10T13:12:28Z")
The guy playing Gregor is over 7 feet tall, btw. I agree he didn’t look that huge though. The mountain is supposed to be 8’, 350#, or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/537 "2011-05-10T13:57:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > He is the eldest son, but he’s not the heir. The Kingsguard renounce all family responsibilities (and I think are supposed to be celibate, so cannot produce heirs themselves), which took him out of the running. One of the (many) reasons Tywin dislikes Tyrion so much is that Jaime becoming a Kingsguard made Tyrion the heir, and Tywin hates that all of his lands and wealth are going to be under Tyrion’s control. I’m re-reading the third book now, and Tyrion asks his father to proclaim him as heir - and Tywin refuses. He tells Tyrion he’ll never have Casterly Rock, although he doesn’t say how he will prevent Tyrion from inheriting or who will inherit instead. He intends Tyrion to take Winterfell as Sansa’s husband. Can the lords override the natural succession in their wills? Just before the Red Wedding, Robb Stark drew up a document proclaiming Jon Snow as heir to Winterfell, even though he knows Sansa is still alive. But maybe he can do that only because he’s a king? Between the Red Wedding and Joffrey’s wedding and Sam’s reappearance at the Wall, I was up half the night reading. Robb so didn’t deserve his direwolf - might as well have given it to Hodor. It takes a fool to completely ignore the instincts of your giant supernatural wolf-companion. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/538 "2011-05-10T15:12:51Z")
> [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](#): > > I’m re-reading the third book now, and Tyrion asks his father to proclaim him as heir - and Tywin refuses. He tells Tyrion he’ll never have Casterly Rock, although he doesn’t say how he will prevent Tyrion from inheriting or who will inherit instead. He intends Tyrion to take Winterfell as Sansa’s husband. Probably Kevan, or Lancel before he got all religiousy. I think Kevan is lord of Casterly Rock now that Tywin is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/539 "2011-05-10T15:41:58Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Probably Kevan, or Lancel before he got all religiousy. I think Kevan is lord of Casterly Rock now that Tywin is dead. By the end of AFFC with the Septaers (WTF is their religious organization actually called again?) I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lancel in charge when the dragons come rolling over the oceans. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/540 "2011-05-10T16:10:20Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > By the end of AFFC with the Septaers (WTF is their religious organization actually called again?) I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lancel in charge when the dragons come rolling over the oceans. > > -Joe It’s just called “The Faith of the Seven” or “The Faith”. Male clergy are called Septons, and female clergy are called Septas. They’re led by a council of senior Septons called the “Most Devout”, who pick a leader called the High Septon. Lancel has joined a militant religious order called “The Warrior’s Sons”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=28)