# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Billy\_Baroo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/76d3ee/32.png) [@Billy\_Baroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Baroo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/81 "2011-04-25T02:47:53Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > I’ve been wondering why Tyrion poured the wine onto the floor after Joff died. Wasn’t he protecting Sansa? ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/82 "2011-04-25T03:00:31Z")
Resolved: I shall subscribe to HBO because I cannot wait to see this series. Question to current subscribers: Will I be able to catch up? If I subscribe now, can I catch the first two Episodes on repeat in time to see #3 next Sunday? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/83 "2011-04-25T03:02:24Z")
Pretty sure they’re On Demand. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/84 "2011-04-25T03:09:34Z")
Or that - thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/85 "2011-04-25T03:10:21Z")
I agree about showDany arc changes being an improvement. Who knows, I may even end up **liking** this version. BookCersei did abort Robert’s child. Upgrading to infanticide might just be a way to make her less sympathetic, or they may plan on downplaying all of the ‘moon tea’ plot-lines to avoid controversy. – Though all the fire symbolism except the candles is straight from the books, hot baths included. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/86 "2011-04-25T03:47:36Z")
I thought…well, I’ve thought showCersei to be much, well, softer, than the bookCersei. So far. She actually seemed a tad distressed about Bran, rather than just pissed that Jaime may have caused more trouble than it was worth, and I thought the scene with Catelyn might add to that. Which should make it odd if/when she turns into total-raging-bitch Cersei. If she even does; but I can’t imagine them changing the plot that much. Question: In the book, what did Bran say when he woke from his coma? I’m going to guess it was ‘Winter is coming’, but I honestly can’t remember; I ask because someone in the other thread brought up that they missed it, and I don’t recall it being in the series at all: he just woke up, end of show. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/87 "2011-04-25T03:53:23Z")
> [@Taomist](#): > > Question: In the book, what did Bran say when he woke from his coma? I’m going to guess it was ‘Winter is coming’, but I honestly can’t remember; I ask because someone in the other thread brought up that they missed it, and I don’t recall it being in the series at all: he just woke up, end of show. He names his wolf Summer. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/88 "2011-04-25T04:36:23Z")
Yeah, Cersei in the book always seemed brittle to me, and volatile. And arrogant. Even in just the first episode, she seemed a lot softer (haven’t caught the second ep yet). It’ll be interesting to see how they handle her bitch queen scenes (like when she demands Lady be executed). ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/89 "2011-04-25T04:46:21Z")
Where are the writers going with showCersei’s lie about the dead son? Catelyn said she never knew. She didn’t know the king had a son? Everyone in the kingdom would know. Kings advertise that shit, throw parties even. Whatever, the lie wasn’t necessary. Cersei could have shown sympathy just by being a mother. On the other hand, I never quite bought bookCersei’s confession to Ned that she aborted Robert’s children. That’s too much ammunition. Maybe the writers will have Catelyn discover the truth. She did look surprised, if not downright skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/90 "2011-04-25T05:02:09Z")
Oh, and having separate threads is an awesome idea. Over at TWOP, people who’ve read the books are spoiling things right and left, despite pleas to stop. I’m thinking the moderator either hasn’t read the books so doesn’t know what’s a spoiler, or just doesn’t care. This is much better. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/91 "2011-04-25T05:06:06Z")
TWOP? ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/92 "2011-04-25T05:19:52Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > On the other hand, I never quite bought bookCersei’s confession to Ned that she aborted Robert’s children. That’s too much ammunition. By that time Ned had already uncovered the incest. The additional information was small potatoes. The incest/cuckolding alone would have seen Cersei beheaded. ETA: TWOP - Television Without Pity. ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/93 "2011-04-25T15:15:43Z")
I know they had a lot of ground to cover in this episode, but I’m disappointed we never saw Bran’s dreams. His dream encounter with the three-headed crow is pretty important. I wonder how the series is going to show that he’s gained some significant mystical/psychic abilities during his coma since they’ve skipped that scene? ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/94 "2011-04-25T15:19:37Z")
Ok, as a non-book reader I’m not reading anything in here, but I just dropped in to say that I now suspect my concerns in the original thread about there being future twincest spawn may have been a day late and a dollar short. There’s no way that little guy-liner wearing twerp isn’t a genetic aberration. Too bad the wolf didn’t go for his dangley-bits, instead. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/95 "2011-04-25T15:42:49Z")
I can’t help but wish that Joffrey had found some other hobby than waving his sword around and being a little shit. Ballet, maybe. He could go far in ballet. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/96 "2011-04-25T15:51:59Z")
“Sansa has her needles, but I have my Needle”? Gah! GAH, I say!. And if they’re trying to show how all the horse riding is taking its toll on Dany, why have her slaves spend all their time working on her hands? She has saddle sores, not rein palms (I just made that up). If you can show her getting railed by Khal Drogo, you can jolly well show her thighs and ass getting worked on. Of course, now that she’s gotten away with sexing the khal face-to-face with her clothes on they probably won’t show her nekkid anymore ( ☹ ). Is it just me, or does Cersei not seem quite as icy and malevolent as she should? In the books, I feel about 5% sorry for her, but on the show she doesn’t seem like that bad of a person. I’m kinda feeling the same about the show as I did the Watchmen movie. I like it, but I wonder if it’s enjoyable on its own without reading the book and experiencing all the intrigues. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/97 "2011-04-25T17:14:44Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I can’t help but wish that Joffrey had found some other hobby than waving his sword around and being a little shit. Ballet, maybe. He could go far in ballet. I don’t get it… is that actor from Billy Elliot or something? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/98 "2011-04-25T17:17:45Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I don’t get it… is that actor from Billy Elliot or something? There’s a fairly famous ballet company in Chicago called the Joffrey Ballet. ---
**Author:** ![Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/99 "2011-04-25T17:54:06Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Where are the writers going with showCersei’s lie about the dead son? Catelyn said she never knew. She didn’t know the king had a son? Everyone in the kingdom would know. Kings advertise that shit, throw parties even. > > Whatever, the lie wasn’t necessary. Cersei could have shown sympathy just by being a mother. > > On the other hand, I never quite bought bookCersei’s confession to Ned that she aborted Robert’s children. That’s too much ammunition. Maybe the writers will have Catelyn discover the truth. She did look surprised, if not downright skeptical. Maybe it wasn’t a lie - maybe they’ve changing the story so that Robert’s baby died instead of being aborted, or maybe Cersei killed the baby! And it did serve to emphasize that the baby, Robert’s child, had black hair. I wanted to see Bran’s wolf howling mournfully under Bran’s window, because Catelyen won’t allow him in the sick room - until he fights off the attacker. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/100 "2011-04-25T18:07:15Z")
They didn’t actually show the wolf but you could clearly hear him howling and Cat does complain about it to Robb. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=6)