# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1121 "2011-06-14T04:34:30Z")
He didn’t mention it on the show. I wonder if they’re going to bring it up later, or if they thought it was too much? ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1122 "2011-06-14T04:46:53Z")
> [@Taomist](#): > > I have a question about the drunken scene with Tyrion and Shae and Bronn, and his marriage story: > In the book, Tyrion’s father has Tyrion take Shae after Tywin’s guards have all had their turn. Was this final tidbit not in the show, or did I just miss it? Haven’t seen this week’s ep yet - but that’d be Tysha you’re thinking about, Tyrion’s wife. Tyrion did make mention of it a couple weeks back, I thought. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1123 "2011-06-14T05:24:32Z")
He tells the story of Tysha and giving her to his father’s guards, but he doesn’t say whether or not he raped her as well in the end, like he does in the book. It’s not clear whether he’s just omitting that part or whether HBO decided to cut that part out. Although if they did I don’t know how they’re going to justify the rift between Jamie and Tyrion later on in the series. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1124 "2011-06-14T05:54:18Z")
Eh, it’s still a completely horrible thing even without the final act. As for horses dying, at some point tyrion disembowels one from below with his helmet. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1125 "2011-06-14T05:58:33Z")
Sorry, I got my thoughts mixed up. I was thinking that Shae’s comment (of course she was a whore, no normal woman would want to sleep with a man after she was almost raped) was odd if they want to reveal later that Tysha’s story was true. Of course they could still justify Tyrion hating Jaime later on for his part in the affair even if Tyrion hadn’t taken part in the rape himself. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1126 "2011-06-14T06:06:21Z")
Was anyone besides me pissed off at how very very cheated Tyrion’s first battle was in this last episode? 😑 ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1127 "2011-06-14T06:21:47Z")
Is there anything in the books about the wildlings using boats/ships to sail past the Wall? ---
**Author:** ![Spectralist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Spectralist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectralist)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1128 "2011-06-14T07:07:56Z")
I don’t believe so. The only way I recall them talking about getting past the wall is climbing over it. But it’s reasonable to assume that’s not the only way. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1129 "2011-06-14T08:04:33Z")
They have definitely changed Shae and she is much more self-assured than in the book. Actually I find her more interesting; the book Shae was one-note and quickly became tiresome. It will be interesting to see if they change her story. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1130 "2011-06-14T10:28:36Z")
Shae’s only there so we can learn about Tyrion. I don’t really care if they change her character. As long as Tyrion seems to fall in love so it’s extra brutal when he finds her with Tywin. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1131 "2011-06-14T12:04:36Z")
Shae was not what I expected, but I liked her. It seems to make sense that if Tyrion is going to fall in love, it needs to be with a girl that can hold her own with him. The drinking game scene was great. I could picture Bronn, Shae and Tyrion as old friends, even though he’s a sellsword and she’s a whore. Tyrion seems to long for friends more than a wide eyed innocent swooning over him, and if he has to buy them, he can afford it. They did cut the bit about Tyrion taking Tysha last (and paying a gold because lannisters are worth more). probably it was too much, but maybe it will come back. I doubt it. I agree, it’s not necessary. (heck, I thought they were going to cut Tysha entirely.) My only real quibble with the episode is that Lord Frey seemed too young. I always pictured him more like the guy playing Maester Aemon. All the creepier that way, and all the funnier to call him “the late lord frey”. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1132 "2011-06-14T12:14:59Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > My only real quibble with the episode is that Lord Frey seemed too young. I always pictured him more like the guy playing Maester Aemon. All the creepier that way, and all the funnier to call him “the late lord frey”. Keep in mind he’s not “the late lord Frey” because of his age. Or at least not mostly. But yes, instead of being 30 years older than Cat he should have been 50 years older. Anyone else think that Pycelle is coming across as TOO feeble and pathetic in the show? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1133 "2011-06-14T13:44:13Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > Is there anything in the books about the wildlings using boats/ships to sail past the Wall? Yes. In a Clash of Kings when Bran is filling in for Robb at Winterfel, one of the Umbers comes down asks for ships because… > [@](#): > > There’s wildlings stealing down from the north, more than I’ve ever seen before. They cross the Bay of Seals in little boats and wash up on our shores. The crows in Eastwatch are too few to stop them, and they go to ground quick as weasels. It’s longships we need, aye, and strong men to sail them. The Greatjon took too many. Half our harvest is gone to seed for want of arms to swing the scythes. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1134 "2011-06-14T14:09:20Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > He didn’t mention it on the show. I wonder if they’re going to bring it up later, or if they thought it was too much? I suspect they left it out because it was too much, because it would make Tyrion a rapist and pretty damned unsympathetic, and because it raises questions such as, how did Tywin force him to rape his wife? Good call on HBO’s part. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1135 "2011-06-14T14:22:09Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Yes. In a Clash of Kings when Bran is filling in for Robb at Winterfel, one of the Umbers comes down asks for ships because… Thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1136 "2011-06-14T14:46:44Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Keep in mind he’s not “the late lord Frey” because of his age. Or at least not mostly. I know it’s mainly because he showed up late at the trident, but the double meaning was funny. Sad to see it go. ---
**Author:** ![Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1137 "2011-06-14T15:32:51Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > Was anyone besides me pissed off at how very very cheated Tyrion’s first battle was in this last episode? 😑 I was, if only because Tyrion didn’t get to say his line about his injured arm, when he reports back to Tywin after the battle: “Might I trouble you to send for your maesters? Unless you relish the notion of having a _one-armed_ dwarf for a son”. About Tysha’s rape - the TV show is leaving the scene ambiguous, as did the book. We can’t tell from Tyrion’s version of the story if Tysha was raped by Tywin’s guardsmen, or if she was willing and pleased to be getting the money. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1138 "2011-06-14T17:04:31Z")
BTW, is there any mention in the books of divorce as an option for unhappily married couples? Does the Faith permit it, or not care? Is it even a concept under Westeros law? Robert was so much like a fat, self-indulgent old Henry VIII in so many other ways, I wondered if it ever crossed his mind to dump Cersei. There are other nobles who might want a parting of the ways, too. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1139 "2011-06-14T17:19:49Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > BTW, is there any mention in the books of divorce as an option for unhappily married couples? Does the Faith permit it, or not care? Is it even a concept under Westeros law? Robert was so much like a fat, self-indulgent old Henry VIII in so many other ways, I wondered if it ever crossed his mind to dump Cersei. There are other nobles who might want a parting of the ways, too. Robert was dependent on the Lannister wealth, not to mention deeply in debt to Tywin. Even if he wanted to divorce Cersei, it wouldn’t have been practical. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1140 "2011-06-14T17:34:47Z")
Certainly if a marriage is not consumated, it doesn’t count. I don’t recall anything like divorce mentioned, though. I assumed it was possible when Renly was plotting for Robert to marry Margeary, unless he meant to have Cersei killed. I have a feeling if the king wishes to end his marriage, he could come up with a reason to do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=58)