# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/101 "2011-04-25T18:37:06Z")
Ok, I somehow missed that. I heard howling in the distance when Tyrion woke with the dogs, but I didn’t catch Catelyn complaining about it. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/102 "2011-04-25T18:58:14Z")
> [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](#): > > Maybe it wasn’t a lie - maybe they’ve changing the story so that Robert’s baby died instead of being aborted, or maybe Cersei killed the baby! And it did serve to emphasize that the baby, Robert’s child, had black hair. You might be right. From HBO’s website: “She’s always manipulative, but I do believe she was distraught over the death of her son.” Was Cersei’s grief over her lost child sincere? Creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss discuss." Distraught? Nuh-uh. I didn’t watch the discussion but it does look like they’re trying to make Cersei more sympathetic. Blech. I don’t remember Cat finding that long blonde hair. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/103 "2011-04-25T19:52:36Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > …I don’t remember Cat finding that long blonde hair. Nor do I. Not many blondes at Winterfell, in any event. Who was the goggle-eyed guy standing behind Robb in the godswood when Cat said she intended to go to King’s Landing? ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/104 "2011-04-25T22:02:38Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Nor do I. Not many blondes at Winterfell, in any event. > > Who was the goggle-eyed guy standing behind Robb in the godswood when Cat said she intended to go to King’s Landing? Fairly certain you’re talking about Theon Greyjoy. Looking ahead a bit… If GRRM doesn’t understand the love for Syrio in the books, if he’s as awesome on the show, what’s he going to think? I’m really looking forward to seeing Littlefinger and Varys. I think reaching King’s Landing is where this show can really start shining. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/105 "2011-04-26T00:59:56Z")
Theon is ugly. I always imagined him looking sort of handsome in a dark and emo way. I want MORE WOLVES! The blond hair scene wasn’t in the book. In the book Cat just makes the link in her head. ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/106 "2011-04-26T02:45:30Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > Theon is ugly. I always imagined him looking sort of handsome in a dark and emo way. > > I want MORE WOLVES! > > The blond hair scene wasn’t in the book. In the book Cat just makes the link in her head. In the books I imagined Theon as something of a ladykiller as well. I also pictured Catelyn as attractive. On the show she appears average. At best. I’m sure that’s more realistic, if Cersei is supposed to be the ‘raging beauty’ on the show they can’t have a more attractive person fill the other roles. IMO. 🙂 ETA: Not the the actor playing Cersei is much better. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/107 "2011-04-26T02:46:03Z")
I think they downplayed how much it hurt Arya to drive away Nymeria. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/108 "2011-04-26T04:34:40Z")
I feel like they’ve been downplaying the wolves in general. In the book they have a strong presence - they’re always in the background somewhere. I suppose it remains to be seen how they play out Bran/Summer and Jon/Ghost. And Robb/Grey Wind. In the book I think there’s a scene where Arya talks about how sad she is about Nymeria with her father. I suppose they’re trying to rush things along here. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/109 "2011-04-26T07:10:43Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I also pictured Catelyn as attractive. On the show she appears average. At best. I thought she looked 80 years old when she was sitting by Bran’s bed. I kind of admire an actress willing to look that bad. > [@](#): > > I’m sure that’s more realistic, if Cersei is supposed to be the ‘raging beauty’ on the show they can’t have a more attractive person fill the other roles. Ironically, the woman who was first cast as Cat, Jennifer Ehle, was IMO _much_ more attractive than the actress playing her sister, supposedly the family beauty, in the “Pride and Prejudice” miniseries. Not even close. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/110 "2011-04-26T08:03:41Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > I feel like they’ve been downplaying the wolves in general. In the book they have a strong presence - they’re always in the background somewhere. I suppose it remains to be seen how they play out Bran/Summer and Jon/Ghost. And Robb/Grey Wind. I didn’t even see Ghost when Jon left for the wall! ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/111 "2011-04-26T08:30:37Z")
If you look really closely, you can see a white blur lurking in the background in one of the scenes. If you blink you’ll miss it. As for Cat, I don’t know what they were thinking when they cast that actress. Maybe I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that she and Cersei are of a similar age, with Cat being a few years older. In the show she looks AGES older than Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/112 "2011-04-26T16:38:03Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > …it remains to be seen how they play out… Robb/Grey Wind… Sword. Needle and thread. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/113 "2011-04-26T18:24:52Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > As for Cat, I don’t know what they were thinking when they cast that actress. Maybe I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that she and Cersei are of a similar age, with Cat being a few years older. In the show she looks AGES older than Cersei. She does, doesn’t she? It makes sense though. She’s gonna look a bit haggard at Bran’s bedside. Plus, she probably doesn’t spend as much time in front of a mirror as Cersei. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/114 "2011-04-26T18:35:02Z")
Sansa time! Ok, so through Game of Thrones, is Sansa PC, stupid, or evil. From the weekly thread we have these three opinions, and claims that they are mutually exclusive. I find her incredily naive and intentionally blind. She watchs Joffrey try to kill her sister, then lies for him. Cersei kills her pet, and she adores Cersei. She watches the Lannisters be horrible people for months and betray her father, resulting in his death. Now, she does all of this because she has a fantasy of valor and beauty. In my mind she’s not evil, just very stupid and very selfish. Is she realistic? Do real people stay in abusive relationships? Yes… but how is that a defense? Real people rape, steal, and murder, but that doesn’t make those actions good things. (I’m not saying Sansa’s actions are equivalent in any way, so don’t even go there.) So, ASOIAF fans, what do you think of Sansa? Note, I’m genrally talking about her in the first book. Her character changes quite a bit after Ned’s death. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/115 "2011-04-26T18:40:34Z")
I hated her in Game. HA. TED. She was immature, willfully blind, and actively stupid (Really, you little twit?! Narcing on your family when they’re running for their lives? REALLY?!). ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/116 "2011-04-26T18:43:40Z")
First book only? Painfully, hopelessly naive. Not evil, not necessarily stupid, but naive to a very extreme level. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/117 "2011-04-26T18:47:18Z")
There was no evil to what she did, she was genuinely trying to get the best result for everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/118 "2011-04-26T18:50:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > There was no evil to what she did, she was genuinely trying to get the best result for everyone involved. No. She was trying to get the best result for herself. When Joffrey is trying to kill Arya what does she say? “You’re spoiling it!” She was concerned about her perfect day, not whether or not her sister would be hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/119 "2011-04-26T19:22:10Z")
I think she probably said “You’re spoiling it!” to both Joffrey and Arya. Neither of them were doing what she really, really wanted them to do in order to eventually give her a fairytale wedding. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/120 "2011-04-26T19:43:43Z")
Sure. However, the point isn’t who she was scolding, it was what she was scolding about. She didn’t want her day ruined. It wasn’t about someone else getting hurt, it was about how it affects her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=7)