# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1181 "2011-06-20T00:03:28Z")
Even odds on me tearing up if they do “we shall find a stonecarver that knew his face well.” ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1182 "2011-06-20T00:50:39Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Robb, Catelyn, Tywin, Joffrey, Oberyn (although we haven’t been introduced), Gregor (or was he still screaming in AFFC?), Jeor Mormont… Berric Dondarion. Well, we know it won’t be Robb, Catelyn, Tywin, Joffrey, Oberyn, or Gregor. Doubtful it’ll be the Lord Commander. Beric, maybe… ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1183 "2011-06-20T02:09:23Z")
Who was the guy that died early? Was that rumor wrong? Nice shot of Jaqen there. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1184 "2011-06-20T02:17:58Z")
That rumor came from an interview with Martin! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1185 "2011-06-20T02:19:38Z")
Also, Jaqen being shrouded is amusing. I assume it’s because he hasn’t been cast, but the Jaqen = Syrio people will be all riled up over that one. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1186 "2011-06-20T03:07:34Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > That rumor came from an interview with Martin! They also didn’t show the murder of Brandon and Ned’s father, which was shot. The death might have been cut after that interview. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1187 "2011-06-20T14:33:21Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > They also didn’t show the murder of Brandon and Ned’s father, which was shot… Interesting; I hadn’t heard that. Anyone seen any stills, or has anything made it to YouTube? Or maybe we’ll have to wait for the DVD. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1188 "2011-06-23T13:40:05Z")
So let’s talk about casting for season 2… Having just gotten to the chapter that introduces Brienne on my re-read of Clash of Kings, I have to wonder just how they’re going to cast her. The smart money is on “Hollywood Ugly”, although the Britcentric casting so far makes that a less-than-absolute probability. Is there ANY young actress out there that would fit the visuals? I certainly can’t think of any offhand, but I have to admit that the majority of the major actors in the first season were unknown to me when they were announced, so it’s likely that there’s a vast pool of non-Hollywood actors that I don’t know much about that could include the perfect Brienne. Any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1189 "2011-06-23T14:50:51Z")
She’s not “young” and she’s definitely not homely, but when I was reading the books, I pictured Brienne as Kristen Johnston from _Third Rock From the Sun_. She’s a big woman, compared to most other actresses anyway. Brienne doesn’t need to be ugly. Tyrion was supposed to be ugly, and that casting is working just fine. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1190 "2011-06-23T15:49:44Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > She’s not “young” and she’s definitely not homely, but when I was reading the books, I pictured Brienne as Kristen Johnston from _Third Rock From the Sun_. She’s a big woman, compared to most other actresses anyway. > > Brienne doesn’t need to be ugly. Tyrion was supposed to be ugly, and that casting is working just fine. That’s true, but…Tyrion is supposed to be just generally grotesque. Body shape can subsidize a lack of facial grotesquery in his case. Brienne, though…let me quote Clash… > [@Clash of Kings](#): > > Beauty, they called her…mocking. The hair beneath the visor was a squirrel’s nest of dirty straw, and her face…Brienne’s eyes were large and very blue, a young girl’s eyes, trusting and guileless, but the rest…her features were broad and coarse, her teeth prominent and crooked, her mouth too wide, her lips so plump they seemed swollen. A thousand freckles speckled her cheeks and brow, and her nose had been broken more than once. I don’t know…a “Hollywood ugly” Brienne is a little tough for me to swallow, but then I didn’t care for Michelle Fairley at the beginning, either. I really thought she was too old-looking for Cat. She’s grown on me. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1191 "2011-06-23T15:59:07Z")
Too bad Lucy Lawless is too old. I found a thread on another board where most folks seem to favor an actress I’m not familiar with named [Eva Damen](http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/ajmc2121/eva.jpg); her face looks perfect for the role, but she’s a bit thin, and only 5’9", just shy of the 5’10" that the casting call required. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1192 "2011-06-23T16:00:26Z")
Here’s their casting breakdown for Brienne. [BRIENNE TARTH] FEMALE. Age: 20s. A skilled warrior in service to Renly Baratheon. Larger and stronger than most men, we first meet Brienne when she wins a tournament, defeating the famed Loras Tyrell. Big-boned and plain faced, she has an awkward personality, but is also honest and loyal. She is derisively known as “Brienne the Beauty”… RECURRING. (Season Two: 6 episodes/Season Appearances: Multiple Season) Must be a MINIMUM of 5’10″. Do NOT submit actresses that look like models. We are looking for a big, WARRIOR-TYPE woman that’s more MANLY than womanly. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1193 "2011-06-23T16:41:37Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Too bad Lucy Lawless is too old. I found a thread on another board where most folks seem to favor an actress I’m not familiar with named [Eva Damen](http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/ajmc2121/eva.jpg); her face looks perfect for the role, but she’s a bit thin, and only 5’9", just shy of the 5’10" that the casting call required. Ooh…Eva Damen looks perfect. Hopefully she can act. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1194 "2011-06-23T17:09:31Z")
I saw a rumor somewhere that Gerard Butler might play Stannis. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1195 "2011-06-23T17:20:40Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I saw a rumor somewhere that Gerard Butler might play Stannis. It was posted on IMDB a couple of days ago & then removed because it wasn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1196 "2011-06-23T19:45:39Z")
First season 2 casting news–Natalie Dormer will be playing Margaery Tyrell. Given that she’s not an unknown and that Margaery doesn’t play a huge role in book 2 (does she even speak?), this tells me that chances are good we’ll get a season 3. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1197 "2011-06-23T19:53:30Z")
No, Margaery only shows up in a couple of scenes in Clash, IIRC. The Tyrells don’t come over to Joffrey until Storm, so she doesn’t really become her own character until then. In Clash, she’s mostly just Renly’s beard. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1198 "2011-06-23T20:44:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I saw a rumor somewhere that Gerard Butler might play Stannis. He’d make a pretty good Brienne. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1199 "2011-06-23T21:02:52Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > So apparently there is a minor character who is supposed to die this season that didn’t die until book three Could this be referring to Marillion? Did the rumor say “die” or something more vague like “meet his fate.” In the show, the unnamed bard who loses his tongue at Joffrey’s command is replaced by Marillion, or at least, the same actor plays both bards. I don’t think they ever refer to him by name. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1200 "2011-06-23T21:06:29Z")
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